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FT Agreement Section 6

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on 02-24-2010 at 05:54 PM (961 Views)

I get tired of explaining this to people so I will just make a blog post that I can link to in the future.

Let me state this plain and clear; Full Tilt owns your ass. They can do whatever they want to you and there is nothing that you can do about it. Below you will see sub-sections 5 and 6 from section 6 of their affiliate agreement. Even a novice webmaster who opened his first godaddy account today could be violating these terms without knowing it. Because of this; you have no clout, you have no weight, there is virtually nothing that you can do about anything, you are in violation of the agreement, you were likely in violation of the agreement when you generated your players, and your account can be terminated without giving you any of your owed funds.

Let me also be clear about this - Full Tilt is at the top of most of my websites, Im building several more specifically to help promote the brand, I do this because I look at the numbers, think about the risk and then decide who will get listed on top. I don't take these things personally. This is the online poker industry, you should expect no less from either party.

#6 NON-COMPETITION

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5. Page Optimization. You may not optimize any page of a website(s) for keyword or keyword phrases that include the words Full Tilt Poker, or any variation thereon, including but not limited to Full Tilt, Full-Tilt-Poker, or FullTiltPoker in any format. This provision includes but is not limited to meta tags, headers and body content.

6. Off-Site Links. You may not buy or build off-site text links with anchor text for Full Tilt Poker-branded keyword phrases, including but not limited to Full Tilt, Full Tilt Poker, Full-Tilt-Poker, or FullTiltPoker in any format.

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Updated 02-24-2010 at 06:05 PM by PTC

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CK - 02-24-2010 06:30 PM
I know you wont take this well, but openly posting it accomplishes what exactly?

Almost all poker rooms have clauses like this. I'm not sure what the point is to rehash it over and over again, other than rubbing it in FT's face saying "Hey come screw me on this issue as well"
PTC - 02-24-2010 06:50 PM
Originally Posted by Kaus

I know you wont take this well, but openly posting it accomplishes what exactly?

do you think they don't know what is in their own agreement? They know, however most affiliates do not. Of course I do not take it well as you anticipated, why do you have a problem with me stating openly the terms and conditions we base our livelihood on? If stating this is the open is an issue, you should seriously reconsider the nature of your business, regardless of what business you are in.
CK - 02-24-2010 07:00 PM
Because anytime something negative happens you throw up the terms. I have absolutely no idea what section 6 has to do with the 5% cut for rakeback affiliates. Nor do I understand how it has anything to do with any of the other problems affiliates are running into. So if you would like to explain without being arrogant I am all ears If you have a solution for said problems - again all ears

- and to be quite honest they would be silly not to include something like that in their terms - its silly what half of the rooms allow affiliates to do imho

If stating this is the open is an issue, you should seriously reconsider the nature of your business, regardless of what business you are in.

If your next response is similar to this - ignore my question entirely. I dont have the time to be bothered with it.

Updated 02-24-2010 at 07:11 PM by CK
PTC - 02-24-2010 07:19 PM
Originally Posted by Kaus

I dont have the time to be bothered with it.

Im not foolish, this sounds personal, that's your problem not mine.
Matt Geer - 02-24-2010 10:47 PM
Originally Posted by PTC

Let me state this plain and clear; Full Tilt owns your ass.

Not if you don't promote them.

Originally Posted by PTC

why do you have a problem with me stating openly the terms and conditions we base our livelihood on?

I wonder why you would blatantly state that you look at the numbers, assess the risk and then break these terms and conditions?

Originally Posted by PTC

If stating this is the open is an issue, you should seriously reconsider the nature of your business, regardless of what business you are in.

I suppose the same could be said about you, right? Or anyone here that optimizes for Full Tilt phrases. I mean, breaking the rules is the same whether you're open about it or not.

And I'm not saying all this because I feel this is "personal" or I have something to hide. I just couldn't wrap my head around this post. Are you saying no one should be complaining about lowered percentages because we get to get away with optimizing our pages for FT terms?

Would you mind elaborating?
PTC - 02-24-2010 11:19 PM
Originally Posted by Matt Geer

Are you saying no one should be complaining about lowered percentages because we get to get away with optimizing our pages for FT terms?

Would you mind elaborating?

I think you pretty much said it. Full Tilt does not enforce these terms for obvious reasons, but it's a favor to affiliates, as stated before, they can do whatever they want including terminating you and not paying you at any point. If people are going to complain, this is the place to start. This is more ridiculous than anything else. You'll have nothing, no weight, no leverage, no right to even be in the conversation when you operate under these terms.

Was also just thinking... do people really think that Full Tilt is going to start enforcing this because of me? They don't know what's in their T&C or what kind of weight they have already? Or what kind of sites affiliates are building? That's just silly.
PTC - 02-24-2010 11:25 PM
Originally Posted by Matt Geer

I wonder why you would blatantly state that you look at the numbers, assess the risk and then break these terms and conditions?

I suppose the same could be said about you, right?

Risk as I meant doesnt mean violating T&C, I just meant the risk that things will go sour, you wont get paid, you will be terminated, the room will go broke, maybe the player value is just low so you have to ditch the room eventaully, whatever it might be. I'm pretty sure most agreements allow you to be terminated for no reason at all and you must account for this in your decision making. If you look at anything else besides numbers and risk, I think you would be wasting effort.

but yeah, as you said, the same could be said about me. If FT doesnt want the traffic I send them, all they have to do is tell me. You'll hear very few complaints from me when it happens, maybe just a quick one or two to get it out of my system, but it's business. If you haven't anticipated the termination of your own affiliate account and thought of what you will do, you just need to be more on the ball and cover your angles.