High Roller Term

[mojo]

Not the best month for me lol.

This is a first for me and I've been obsessing about it all day. This has never happened to me before and I really hadn't paid attn to it in the terms.

I had a player win big and cash out in Jan and then play some back in Feb. That is carrying over to March and the player is still playing. Now I have learned that the 'High Roller' rule is in effect for me:

High-Roller Policy


1. In any given month, if an individual player generates a negative net win of at least $10,000 ('high-roller'), and the aggregate net win in that month (for the casino) for that affiliate is negative, then the high-roller policy will apply.
2. If both of the above criteria are met (see point I) then the negative net win generated by the high-roller will be carried forward and offset against future net win generated by that high-roller.
3. The negative balance carried forward cannot be set-off against other players' net win.
4. If there is more than one high-roller, the negative balance carried forward will be split proportionally between them.
5. The negative balance of a high-roller will be reduced by future positive net win that they generate in subsequent months. The high-roller will continue like this until the total net win has been zeroed then the player shall return to the affiliate account.
6. Affiliates who have qualifying high-rollers on their account will be notified at the beginning of the following month.
7. Progressive wins do not affect the High-Roller Policy as this payout is taken from the Progressive Prize Pool.
8. This applies to all affiliates on Revenue Share or Hybrid Deals only.

To me this isn't a high roller policy, more like a large win neg carry over. To be fair, I understand the casino wants to protect itself from paying out on losses. This is Playshare which is a good program and I have no complaints. A few other casinos have this rule as well. Also, this is not a neg carryover program and I still get paid for my other players.

The more I'm looking at this though, I have come to a couple conclusions.

This is not actually a 'high roller' term. It is more of a big win term. A person doesn't have to be a high roller to hit big.

It is in essence a negitive carryover on big wins.

I understand the casino has this right, it is clearly in the terms. That's fine. However, the 10k mark is off to me. What if someone wins 10,002. I think the first 10k should be forgiven and anything over that would be returned. In other words, if I have to 'pay back' on a 50k win, I should have the first 10k minused from that to instead pay back 40k. Otherwise the whole thing becomes a neg carryover and I don't get the benefit of the 'below' 10k.

A player could win 8k three months in a row and it wouldn't effect me at all. Doesn't seem right somehow.

[TheGooner]

Seriously? I think that you're looking a gift horse in the mouth.

The fact that most medium sized losses are written off, and you also don't have to work off a high roller if they disappear completely is a huge plus.

I understand that it's not a totally beneficial situation for an affiliate - and that if the high roller could only limit themselves to less than 9,999 then you'd make actually make a bundle while the casino was losing ... but still YOU ARE NOT ACTUALLY LOSING as such.

The Casino is taking the loss - and isolating the player until a breakeven point. That's a pretty good deal for a revenue share affiliate really.

[mojo]

Hi Gooner,

I agree with you and don't know that I would feel ok about earning off of large losses anyway. Isolating the player is beneficial and it is not harmful to my earnings from other players. I do understand that. However, not all programs do this. There is no grey area.

If 10k is the cut off point, does that include the 10k you are allowed normally. Why is it ok to earn up to 9999.00 on losses but not 10,001. It is the same principle. This is what I can't seem to get my head around.