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If anyone else feels my comments were out of line feel free to speak up or PM me. At this point I just need to chalk this up as trolling by Ramchip based on his response to my PM.
Thank you sir for adding value to this thread.Originally Posted by ramchip
Of course you don't!
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I shouldn't have outed 321' accomplishments as obviously JD is the most qualified to speak on it - should have known that would steer the debate. All I ask is we keep the childish name calling out of it, that isn't too much to ask is it to act civil?
Anyways I'm out of this thread unless something else gets reported - +1 to everything CorryC said.
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LOL I'm trolling because I thought this post was not helping the situation!
Prop - Grow Up!
I'm out of this thread as I have better things to do!
I never said that. jezus, could you at least try to not be so obnoxious.
I probably shouldn't put it this way, but this whole discussion is just over your head. You have such a total lack of self-control and are so laughably full of yourself that you can't even follow what is being said.
I said:
- "This is standard fiction. Online poker is and always has been a berry patch, filled with very poor players."
- "What is true is games have gotten tougher for certain classes of players because they have not learned to adapt to games where their skills work better."
- "There are good games all over the place."
- "If I want to play, it is always easy to find a good game. 100% of the time."
NLHE ring games is one form of poker, a tedious, actionless dullardfest. It's no accdent that prior to the WPT debuting, it would normally be the case that there were _zero_ No Limit Holdem rings games being spread on any particular day in the US, and very few in Europe. The WPT appeared and NLHE ring games took off. It is now just sinking into the heads of some of the newbies that NL Holdem ring games are in fact duller than hell. This leads to the dying star effect where more and more tight players collapse into a smaller range of games. But while No Limit games get worse, other games get better, as the action players look for the action games.
Those guys whose entire universe is those smallish No Limit ring games somehow can't see that most of the action, most of the the money, and almost all the good games are in different game structures are so... well let's just say "unobservant".
Right now on Stars there are four No Limit games with average pots over $300, and nine other style games with average pots over $300.
And just one more thing about the variance stuff.
- apples to apples, PLO will have less variance for a winning player because there is more control, less ability for bad players to remove betting edge by just shoving, higher mathematical certainty, and smaller betting...... While no one tries to dispute this beyond rants and armwaving, the key this is as I said this point is utterly trivial.
- the natural variance in the game is overwhelmed by real world play, both for individuals and for the general game. In general, most people play PLO much, much worse than they do the simpler game of No Limit Holdem. So what does that mean? Well, duh, it means if you have nine players who play PLO worse in an aggressive way than they play NL, then you will have a higher variance PLO game.
How these two concepts come together just seems to make a couple folks here really angry, because they can't handle a little complex thinking. If people play PLO much more recklessly, their own variance will go up a lot, and it will increase the variance of the other players... and good players don't give one shit about this. Good players look for where people are playing badly because they care about profits not variance.
Are there tons of PLO games with high variance, yes for sure, but it is not because of the nature of the game, it is because the players in the game are playing badly. Now this is way too subtle a point for anyone self-absorbed enough to say he is right because he says so, but this is a really important point... if you see a PLO game with high variance, it is very likely a soft, juicy game... and a lot of PLO games today are soft and juicy, and very profitable.
Some of these guys can't look at poker except in very simplistic, black and white ways. But poker is more complex. The very thing one of the posters is complaining about leads to the coincidental reality that the other is ranting about: because loose players are abandoning NL games, the PLO games are getting looser.
This means it is a mistake to look at the variance and say it is the _game_ that is responsible for the variance. This increased variance is due to more fish (including decent NL players who are weak PLO players). Now sorry if that concept is too complicated and doesn't use many four letter words, but there is cause and effect in this world, and if you don't understand why things are so, you'll end up unable to cope and adapt, and apparently get angry over trivia.
(Think of PLO as like motorcycle riding. There is risk in it, but other human activities have greater risk. Now imagine that suddenly 60% of the riders start going without helmets. The risk of motorcycle riding just got higher statistically, but it's not the fault of the motorcycle itself! It's the reckless actions of the humans.)
Ok, obviously the attacks and name calling needs to end. This has been brought up to all mods and everyone needs to remember this is a business forum for professionals. If we expect AM's, rooms, other business to participate then we need to act like professionals.
I'm not pointing any fingers, and yes we all make mistakes. MJ has already warned everyone, please no more personal attacks (you can disagree and be civil) , no more insults or name calling period.
Its like I tell my kids all the time, if you believe you are right, then there is not need in continuing to argue, just feel comfortable you are right and move on. It show maturity.
I love a good debate, but we don't have any Phil Ivey's or tom Dwans on the PAL forums, and there is good reason for that.
So please, feel free to debate but keep it professional and civil, or at the very least you will be banned form this thread.
Note: what's pretty sad is the REAL topic of this thread is one of importance to most members, but its been buried under non-sense.
This guy is super good at the subtle personal attacks imo. Wheras i just come out and call him a fucking idiot. Elocution is definitely not my strong point.
I've played so many hands that I realized - many of the hands I lost I deserved to lose, and I could have played different. To some extent I needed to change my game. Affiliate business no different... other than that I'd like to think I am more successful affiliate than I ever was poker player. This touchy feely anecdote brought to you by Pepsi.
For the record, this post was made by someone who didnt read this thread and will build pokersites until the opportunity cost or ROI says not to.
Also.. having read the thread now... you should all be ashamed of the day where PTC tells someone to grow up in an internet forum. I've matured much from making many silly comments and being out of line... but you only do that for so long before it becomes old, childish, bad for business etc. You might notice Im flying past your $h!t in the serps too and it's likely not a coincidence. 130+ posts in this thread, OMFG, if your future is really that much in debate... better find something else quick.
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