Bwin refuses to Negotiate on Predatory Terms on Facebook.

[GFPC]

This is a copy from what i posted on the GPWA - please join their facebook and share your disgust at these terms. We need tons of support.

Thread here is case this is to messy!

Bewinners Refusal to Change Predatory Terms and Conditions - Facebook. - Gambling Portal Webmasters Association
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Recently BWIN opened a Bewinners Facebook Fan Page. It is open to the public which is why I am posting this here. I am really disappointed in their replies on there and the complete refusal to edit or change the terms at all. I had originally had high hopes of them to really do what was right. Instead they have slapped us down hard. They totally have no respect for their affiliates and I suggest everyone who is against Predatory Affiliate Terms to please speak up if you have a moment of you time. I will post on thread in their page which seriously is disgusting. If you want to read the rest join their page.

Welcome to Facebook.

READ THIS (edited out last names.) - They clearly state no intentions at all to remove or alter the terms!!!

Dear bewinners!


by bewinners.com on Tuesday, October 19, 2010 at 12:08pm

Thank you for your massive response on the bewinners Facebook page! We know that this period is not easy for anyone and want to say sorry for all the difficulties that the transition has caused you.
The Facebook page was mainly started to inform you and to involve you. To better serve this goal, we started a discussion section, where we would like to learn more about your concerns in a well structured and efficient way. If you want to use it, just click on the “Discussions” tab on the site menu and create a new thread with your question or concern as the title. We will firstly gather your comments and address all of them in detail in a second phase. This will help us in solving the problems together. Of course you can contact your bwin Affiliate Account Manager directly for individual questions too.

Your bewinners Team



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o Aleksandar You don't have to be sorry - just cancel the new
predatory terms you've introduced.17 hours ago · UnlikeLike · 6 peopleLoading... ·
o Steve I would like to second that request please. Revert back to affiliate friendly terms please. Regards16 hours ago · LikeUnlike · 2 peopleLoading...
o Marius This is just to avoid social media know about these problems.. not good, the solution would be to revert to old T&C15 hours ago · UnlikeLike · 3 peopleLoading... ·
o Andrea Hello to all of you dear bewinners!
I think it would be desirable to maintain the same commissions for the old clients, instead of reducing them of 20%. In fact, the already acquired clients will allow you to earn the same amounts as before,... whereas we would earn just the 5%.
In my opinion, maintaining the same conditions could be the only solution to satisfy everybody.See More
15 hours ago · LikeUnlike · 1 personFabio this. ·
o Steve ‎@ Andrea - what do you mean? For sure the retroactive claus must be stopped. That is of course so the do not breach the 1000s of contracts they had. But then you have to stop the qouta, and reduced rate of 5%. With those in play the whole affiliate landscape will change. It is a huge threat to our livelyhoods. It must be stopped at all costs.13 hours ago · LikeUnlike · 2 peopleLoading...
o Bernhard What`s to discuss ? You really didn`t get what this outrage is about by now ? You changed the rules during the game, you take away our customers after 3 years and you do so retroactively, for me that is the biggest hurdle by far !12 hours ago · LikeUnlike · 3 people3 people like this. ·
o Jens Bewinners : Theifs..Time to remove all your links and banners guys.. Im redirecting all links from post to bet365, expekt, unibet or betsafe...damn it feels good9 hours ago · LikeUnlike · 1 personEmil likes this. ·
o bewinners.com Aleksandar and Steve: Please understand that we cannot and will not cancel the new terms. We have also received a lot of positive feedback from many affiliates. It is a performance based program considering all labels of the bwin group (be...sides sajoo.fr) that supports the affiliates and us to be successful. We are open for your questions and concerns and ready to answer them, but we would ask you to wait until the first earning calculation is done on November 6th in order to judge the effects of the new t&c.
Marius: We opened a discussion forum to discuss your concerns in a well structered way. As we are doing this here on Facebook, we are obviously using social media for it.
Andrea: Thanks for your comment, please create a post about it in the discussions threat.
Bernhard, Steve: The bewinners t&c shall be valid for former and new affiliates in order to treat everybody equal. The 5% cannot threat your lifelyhood as only 5% of players are still active after 3 years. bewinners on purpose reduces to 5% in order to push you to not rely on old players. We challenge ourselves every day and we want you to do the same. And if you do so, our automated program based on the number of NPA you bring, gives you the opportunity to earn much better than ever before at bwin.
Jens: It's everybody's individual decision with whom he wants to cooperate- we provide our affiliates, and most of you are our affiliates, with the best brand in the industry, the new tool that allows you to really control and steer your business in the best possible way.See More
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o Bernhard From Oct 1 until Oct 3, the only timeframe where it was possible to compare "commission before" and "commission after", mine was down 26% - now not even that would threaten my ""lifelyhood", this is a matter of principle also. everybody at ...bwin keeps going on how few players are left after 3 years, yet you insist on that clause, why ??
Also, you wrote " in order to push you to not rely on old players" - uuuhhm, which is it ? How could we rely on old players if there are only 5% left ???See More
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[Prenut]

Steve, why are you wasting your time on this? The only solution that is going to work here is to get the ball rolling with an attorney. Having an attorney contact them explaining your intentions (to file suit, to file a complaint with the stock exchange) is a good place to start. All of the postings and pages in the world aren't going to accomplish anything. They are a publicly traded company with a level of accountability there. Going the legal route, or at least getting the process started is the only thing that is going to make any difference here. The rest is pure pissing against the wind.

[LadyHoldem]

I shared their fb on mine. I can't stand when programs change their terms retroactively. It boggles my mind that they even try. Here's a past example of what happens when you screw over a large group of affiliates.

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[GFPC]

Thanks for the comments guys.

I am still very confident they will revert their terms. Its only early still. Some things take time. I doubt a lawyer would do anything except a cash grab. I do not mind posting really I feel its worth it.

[AsianC]

bewinners s*cks as hell.. i dont promote them anymore!

[cernus11]

Things that make you go YEAH!

[GFPC]

I know it may seem like a waste of time since as an affiliate community we took it up the ass from Poker Stars and Fulltilt. But this to me seems allot more detrimental to us as an affiliate community.

These posts of course are only a portion of what many of us are doing. The thing that frightens me is the fact if we let this slip like we did with Stars and Tilt it will become a standard. I do not want to see that happen.

So any kind of support is always appreciated.

[MJ]

Steve I agree with Prenut - organize a class action lawsuit, it's one thing when some casino in costa rica does this - but the retroactive aspect and the fact they are publicly traded and licensed in several jurisdictions makes this a case that should be handled via proper legal channels.

I applied your fight though!

[MartinPO]

I personally think it's a lot more fun to have bwin up on your site with a low score, a huge banner saying that this is a crappy room and ask your visitors to visit the sites you want them to go to. If they, for any reason, want to go to bwin despite this, at least you make money from a customer who had no intentions of changing his/her mind.

You will retroactively take people who search for bwin related terms, and who had the intention of joining that site, and convert most of them to the rooms that you gladly work with.

This will send a stronger signal to bwin than having a bunch of angry people in forums who refuse to promote them. To them, you'd be a lost cause anyhow and they will try to branch out to other affiliates instead.

[MPC]

The bitching and moaning session has ran it's course, and as suspected had no impact. At this point, I have to say Steve that it is very naive to think that continuing on this course will yield any results. The people at Bwin are not idiots. They know excalty what they are doing, and it is by design. They are williing to to tak ethe bad publicity in the short term, because even after some affilaites drop them, they'll still make way more money. If you want to change anything, it's time for a more strategic approach. I think the lawsuit option should be given serious consideration.

I also agree with Martin that just removing Bwin is not enought. Wheather you realise it or not, that is actually what Bwin wants. What they don't want it for people to leave them up with some very negative information so that the bad publicity remains, and encourage players to avoid this room like the plague.