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    Default Reefer Poker Merging with Scam Site FeltStars

    Reefer Poker is merging with FeltStars (SBR Rated F) who is associated with, and powered, supported by FutureBet also known as iGaming Software (IGS), and Gametech Solutions solutions.

    The FutureBet, formerly iGaming Software (IGS) group is now calling itself GameTech Solutions. FutureBet has twice rebranded its company name in an effort to distance itself from its history of theft. SBR has discussed FutureBet's past with numerous licensees; the most conservative estimates have FutureBet owing $5 million to players, licensees, and staff.
    I worked very closely and in person with one of the victims where the total they stole was $1.8 million.

    This is a company with a long history of building up a reputation increasing balances and then running of with them. They've also help bankrupt dozens of companies.

    Reefer operated on the Merge Network and is Merging with FeltStars who operates there as well.

    This is a company you want to avoid with all costs. While it might be too late if you do have reefer players you might want to encourage them to get in the front of the line for a payout. Is plenty of better options for them on this network and elsewhere.

    Can learn more about Future Bet, and FeltStars on this SBR page: FutureBet now operating as Gametech Solutions
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    I wonder why so many times Merge does not publicly share their relationship with the old Futurebet, or Gametech issue.

    I have ask them to reply to my requests in the past when they sat back and watch countless players and affiliates get ripped off by Big Daddys Casino and Poker. They ignored me at all costs and allowed affiliates to be burned.

    Now are you saying FeltStars is operated under Gametech? If so why do they have the Merge Gaming Logo on their site?

    Does Merge gaming support Gametech? Cause it would seem they do from what your saying. I thought a while back they said they had nothing to do with FutureBet...

    Of course Merge will refuse to answer any questions here publicly - but I want a Merge Rep to verify if in fact they have a relationship with Gametech (previous Future Bet) now!

    I kind of see why Spin32 split Merge! - Toby got burned by Future Bet as well if my memory serves me correctly.

    Quote Originally Posted by pokerprop View Post
    Reefer Poker is merging with FeltStars (SBR Rated F) who is associated with, and powered, supported by FutureBet also known as iGaming Software (IGS), and Gametech Solutions solutions.



    I worked very closely and in person with one of the victims where the total they stole was $1.8 million.

    This is a company with a long history of building up a reputation increasing balances and then running of with them. They've also help bankrupt dozens of companies.

    Reefer operated on the Merge Network and is Merging with FeltStars who operates there as well.

    This is a company you want to avoid with all costs. While it might be too late if you do have reefer players you might want to encourage them to get in the front of the line for a payout. Is plenty of better options for them on this network and elsewhere.

    Can learn more about Future Bet, and FeltStars on this SBR page: FutureBet now operating as Gametech Solutions

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    They're associated with them at minimal client / provider relationship. That's as far as you're going to get and really there is no need for a statement by them. What is a statement going to say other than that?

    I'm not saying its the case but say you suspected any company (not just Merge) of having deeper ties with future bet. Do you think you'd ask them there is any chance they say: "ahh shucks, you got me, I was hoping you wouldn't notice"?

    Future Bet could own ebay, heck Google even, who knows. There are names associated with them, many seen the faces etc.. but this is a world were people use aliases, no one knows who owns what and not much else you can do about it. For record I doubt future bet is involved with eBay or Google, just saying, never know

    A poster on 2+2 recently said it best about another company:

    Throughout their history, this organization has established a pattern of keeping relatively clean for a period of time and then blatantly robbing players when a bad quarter hits. If you want my advice, winning bettors should rape these lowlifes but always keep a low balance for when the inevitable theft comes. If you're a recreational bettor, give your action to only the highly regarded books that treat ALL players fairly.
    Same applies to poker players as well. If games are soft and its worth the risk, play. Just don't store your money on these sites, keep minimal balances etc. Cashouts are like musical chairs there are often plenty of chairs left, then suddenly they start the game and you're left standing thinking hey wait where did all the chairs go.

    Now in case of Merge if games are soft enough that you must play there, stick to the sites with good track records at the moment, cash out often even if it means also needing to reup often as well. Better safe than sorry. Of course with that advice comes avoiding the Merge sites that are tied to known crooks, especially future bet which has raped the online gambling industry (poker a massive portion of it) for more money than any one entity ever has.

    That's all the statement and advice anyone needs on that topic imo
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    I see what your saying.

    Merge has a relationship with them - but we should not question it!

    Awesome advice mate!

    Quote Originally Posted by pokerprop View Post
    They're associated with them at minimal client / provider relationship. That's as far as you're going to get and really there is no need for a statement by them. What is a statement going to say other than that?

    I'm not saying its the case but say you suspected any company (not just Merge) of having deeper ties with future bet. Do you think you'd ask them there is any chance they say: "ahh shucks, you got me, I was hoping you wouldn't notice"?

    Future Bet could own ebay, heck Google even, who knows. There are names associated with them, many seen the faces etc.. but this is a world were people use aliases, no one knows who owns what and not much else you can do about it. For record I doubt future bet is involved with eBay or Google, just saying, never know

    A poster on 2+2 recently said it best about another company:



    Same applies to poker players as well. If games are soft and its worth the risk, play. Just don't store your money on these sites, keep minimal balances etc. Cashouts are like musical chairs there are often plenty of chairs left, then suddenly they start the game and you're left standing thinking hey wait where did all the chairs go.

    Now in case of Merge if games are that soft you must player there, stick to the sites with good track records at the moment, cash out often even if it means also needing to reup often as well. Better safe than sorry. Of course with that advise comes avoiding the Merge sites that are tied to known crooks, especially future bet which has raped the online gambling industry (poker a massive portion of it) for more money than any one entity ever has.

    That's all the statement and advice anyone needs on that topic imo

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    Default Incorrect Information

    The information about FeltSTars posted at SBR connecting them to GameTech/Futurebet is simply incorrect. Yes at one point FeltStars leased some Gametech software. But now not even that is accurate.

    But to say that they are owned by gametech or futurebet is simply stating something that is completely untrue. They have absolutely no connection with those companies and when they did it was simply using the software.. Which they no longer use.

    Listen. I write for 2 poker Magazines, Have a poker Radio show and own a poker forum myself. There is no way I would stick my neck out and reputation as a player advocate if I did not know this next statement to be factual.

    "FeltStars is connected in no way shape or form to Futurebet/gametech. Attempts to get SBR to correct this misinformation posted on their site has met with not so much as a reply. It has become evident that leaving bad information up is more important that correcting it, admitting that you got it wrong and taking it down."

    The people are FeltStars are some of the most honest and straightforward people you will meet in this industry. Please don't hang some dishonest label on them, it is a terrible injustice.

    Cordially,
    Ken (DrCheckRaise) Callis

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    I have to agree with DrCheckRaise. I have spoken with Feltstars and even meet some of them at LAC and have had nothing but great things from them. And the have even recently changed out there Cashier system from the Futurebet. as DrCheckRaise as mention I do believe there is no connection any longer. I could be wrong but I believe the have even changed the casino software.

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    Not even sure where to start with this one. Guess I'll take it one post at a time.

    First of all for anyone who doesn't know, because I didn't considering Poker Insider and Poker Player Magazine aren't even stocked in most casinos anymore - that's who Ken writes for. His forum is DrCheckRaise.com where FeltStars is featured, and oh he's also a Felt Stars sponsored pro. So he's a big shot like a Phil Hellmuth paid to endorse their room. Only difference Hellmuth = UB, Ken = Felt Stars. Just wanted that out in open in case anyone missed it.

    Okay let me get started now in responding:

    Quote Originally Posted by DrCheckRaise View Post
    The information about FeltSTars posted at SBR connecting them to GameTech/Futurebet is simply incorrect.
    By all means set us straight?


    Quote Originally Posted by DrCheckRaise View Post
    Yes at one point FeltStars leased some Gametech software.
    Future Bet was doing Felt Stars processing. This appeared to be a turnkey solution the same as other brands working here.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrCheckRaise View Post
    But now not even that is accurate.
    Same story different different characters. Company gets called out for involvement with future bet denies it (and yes, they denied the processing part as most do which was an outright lie) distances themselves says we just used.. or we do... we're different because...

    Perhaps they are a victim of stupidity and didn't know who they were in business with and changed, that happens. Doesn't speak any volumes for the management / ownerships competence if so.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrCheckRaise View Post
    But to say that they are owned by gametech or futurebet is simply stating something that is completely untrue. They have absolutely no connection with those companies and when they did it was simply using the software.. Which they no longer use.
    Personally I now consider you discredited. There is irrefutable evidence that their transactions were processed by Future Bet and that Felt Stars lied about it. Felt Stars acted as a company with something to hide.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrCheckRaise View Post
    Listen. I write for 2 poker Magazines, Have a poker Radio show and own a poker forum myself. There is no way I would stick my neck out and reputation as a player advocate if I did not know this next statement to be factual.
    Before getting to that statement. How much are you paid by Felt Stars, contract details etc. Understand if you can't share. At least please support your credentials as a player advocate. User names etc. I can't find much searching about it. Not to say it does exist but let me know.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrCheckRaise View Post
    "FeltStars is connected in no way shape or form to Futurebet/gametech.
    See Post #3 of thie thread: change the are to were and let the rest stand.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrCheckRaise View Post
    Attempts to get SBR to correct this misinformation posted on their site has met with not so much as a reply.
    You're a player advocate, have you tried posting on their forum?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrCheckRaise View Post
    It has become evident that leaving bad information up is more important that correcting it, admitting that you got it wrong and taking it down."
    Perhaps you're not familiar with their site. They have stories about companies from 6 years ago with archives of player complaints who have then moved up in ranks and now are recommended. Everything there is as a reference guide and whatever was reported then is there to read after.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrCheckRaise View Post
    The people are FeltStars are some of the most honest and straightforward people you will meet in this industry. Please don't hang some dishonest label on them, it is a terrible injustice.
    If this is true. their management lacked competency in my opinion, but at least if they fixed it and it was true in a couple years time threads like this won't appear. In meantime as a fellow player advocate I am sure you understand where I'm coming from.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrCheckRaise View Post
    Cordially,
    Ken (DrCheckRaise) Callis
    Cordially,
    Joe (Prop) Shmoe

    Closing Comment:
    I don't want this messed up. I'm going to wait for the highest level management from Felt Stars to come here and clear this statement up. Please identify roll when posting.

    Did future bet process players transactions? (and by future bet i mean all their names, no technicality responses please - I'm making that clear IGS, Gametech w/e all = futurebet).

    Again please identify your position with Felt Stars when responding and then we can discus here further afterward if you wish.
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    Since you asked.... The Poker Magazines I was referring to was Poker Pro and Australian Poker Weekly. And if being handed out free is a casino is credentials for you.. APW is in nearly every casino in Australia and New Zealand.

    You asked how much I was paid by FeltStars. I am NOT paid by FeltStars. I have a Sponsorship deal which is really nothing more than a staking agreement for LIVE events in return for wearing their apparel. You must bring that up in a way to discount what I say... SO since I am NOT on the payroll do I get MORE credit for what I say? Certainly risking my reputation to split my winnings in events is not worth it.

    Since you asked for a little proof of my advocating for player I will post some successes. Some of the things were done totally under the radar so as to NOT make myself Liable.... But here are some details with internet posts.... which MUST be true.. because you can read it on the internet..LOL

    There was a site called Zosoz, that bounced almost a quarter Million Dollars in checks to players. I looked into it, did some investigating and found that the Owner that was put out in front was NOT the owner but a facade. Found the real owner, located his other businesses and under the radar proceeded to place pressure on his other business relationships to get him to make this right with the players. We were successful. Everyone got paid, and 6 months later, he filed bankruptcy..... SO timing was important that we got those players paid before the Bankruptcy....


    Your software will not permit me to post links.. SO I will PM you the links and ask you to post them for me or at least review them to your satisfaction.

    We had a similar situation with a site called FleetStreetGames, with similar results. Their payout was with a deal with Pokerstars that was a direct result of pressure we put on the owner through similar tactics. Again under the radar so as not to open myself up to personal liability.

    I completely understand where you are coming from in trying to protect players. But I also know that you are way off the mark when trying to make the owners of FeltStars some sinister group of people who would rip people off. It could not be further form the truth.

    If, and I say again, "IF" FeltStars management made a mistake in choosing gametech software when it started, then that mistake has been corrected and they should be applauded instead of continually ridiculed.

    I know of specific instances where FeltStars was ripped of for large sums of money but ATE it. This business of poker, if Full of dishonest people. The management at FeltStars is Certainly NOT in that group.

    It is just very frustrating for me when you know these people like I know them and to have them drug through the dirt when they do not deserve it just really frustrates me.

    If I could ask you to do something constructive I would ask you to petition SBR to recheck their facts. That might solve a great deal.

    Again I can greatly appreciate what you are trying to do. Protect players. I certainly want that as well.... But I also don't want there to be casualties of honest poker sites in the process. That defeats the purpose.

    Thanks again for hearing me out,

    Ken

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    I'm not going to comment on the whole theft issue etc. Mostly because I just don't have the energy to take time to read about it. I liked promoting reefer, but I was told 6 months ago they were considering selling out and would be under new ownership soon.

    the money and players I have there are from a couple years ago, so I just was like w/e - Funny enough tho, the FeltStars AM hit me up this morning to wish me a happy bday. I said thank you and asked what was going to happen to my players who do make some change monthly.

    Her response was that they will get a FS account, and then I asked if I would still get paid for them and again her answer was yes. then I asked how, as I didn't think I had a FS aff account. It was a weird convo overall. I'm guessing we lose our players one way or the other and I'll never see another dime. I found it curious that this wasn't explained in the initial email and Merge gave us no official notice/warning.

    I honestly do not blame FS for this, I think once again merge must take some responsibility for the rooms on their network. Of course the reefer guys should have said something too.

    Again, as for the shady issues and all that for me it just adds to the idea that I'm not adding any new merge rooms.

    Thanks to prop for keeping everyone too lazy to investigate (like me) updated on issues like this. We all appreciate it man
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    When CEO or owner comes here and answers question: Did Future Bet (IGS, iGaming Software, Gametech Solutions etc.) do payment processing for Felt Stars? we can discuss this further.

    My contention is that Felt Stars
    a) was a turnkey future bet site using their processing.
    b) lied about it when first questioned.
    c) continued to lie about it up to time of my initial post.
    d) acted in my own opinion as a company with something to hide.

    Considering Felt Stars lied on more than one occasions about Future Bet not doing their processing I already view this alone as an attempt to deceive players. Doesn't matter their involvement, initial intention, relationship etc. An attempt to deceive was made. I'd guess that alone is enough to effect their rating a other sites but I don't make those ratings just read them so that part is speculation. Attempt to deceive over a very important matter is not.

    Now back to post #3 of this thread. In end it doesn't matter you'll never know. No one is ever going to say "ah shucks, i hope you wouldn't notice" when asked if they are Future Bet (read post #3). Still a reasonable person needs to ask why? to the issue brought up in above paragraph. Ask why but at end it is rhetorical question, because any responses given denying Future Bet involvement can't be taken for much value because 100% of the time (true or not true) the responses will be the same. So all we can know is we have a wide range between point 1 (minor involvement) to point 2 (major involvement).

    This has been played out many times before. Once Future Bet is again exposed sites start distancing themselves while Future Bet rebrands and begins offering the industry other services with new etc. Less established brands that use their software / processing are always going to be the ones investigating players are the most skeptical of.

    More than likely this one doesn't get solved as far as level of involvement, for many reasons already mentions. My advise to everyone in this industry (player, affiliate, operator, w/e) stay the hell away from future bet. To companies who claim to have limited their involvement, be extra careful and monitor their track record for at least a couple years. Otherwise you're running the risk of pushing the next major online poker heist, so again be careful and know in this industry skepticism is a damn good thing.
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