Pokerstars Question

[Nat Arem]

Some affiliates are in a better position to negotiate. It is business afterall, so it's rarely exactly fair. If you tell your biggest affiliates that they must hand over their domains, or you will stop sending them checks, they can tell you, they'd rather get a larger percentage, or they'll not only stop advertising, they'll actually advertise against you.

I don't think PokerStars is all that worried about people advertising against them. They know they have the best software and the best liquidity. Affiliates have the negotiating power with the non-ginormous rooms.

[Beanie]

I thought this thread was locked? Did it get unlocked?

[Nat Arem]

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[Pking]

LOL @ that attachment..

[CK]

The thread was unlocked because people felt that their questions were not answered by stars.

[kdollar]

That attachment is classic...I saw that on my facebook feed. BTW. ill take it for $5

[321]

Carly answered the questions here, said a problem is being addressed, and instead of being thanked she gets attacked.

Despite what has been falsely stated about me here, seeing that cardrooms apply terms and conditions fairly is what i consider one of the most important issues affiliates have because it is one of the few places where things should be equal. So much of this business is "all the market will bear". Some affiliates get 25% MGR, others get 32%. On all things that the terms and conditions don't cover, anything is possible, 80% MGR even.

At the same time, the cardrooms can say whatever they want in the terms, and they can change them any time they want. Affiliates agree to that, and it puts them in a pretty weak position, which makes it all the more important that they should demand that terms and conditions be clear, fair and enforced.

Some people obviously feel differently, for whatever reasons. But I hope the mass of affiliates will not be intimidated and work for what is best and most fair for everybody. For example, a thread on that weird Full Tilt clause would be a good idea, with affiliates urging Tilt to change that to something less absurd.

We can and should disagree about what are good or valid terms and conditions, but for the life of me I don't see why people are resisting bringing up terms violations, or demnding that cardrooms fairly enforce their terms.

[Ozpoker]

Carly answered the questions here, said a problem is being addressed, and instead of being thanked she gets attacked.

She got attacked because despite what gets said here and there, others are allowed to flaunt the rules and that costs the rest of us, who adhere to the rules' MONEY.

Having a rule is fine - just enforce it unequivocably

OR

Even more sensibly -

LET THE POOR BLOKE THAT REFFERED YOUR PLAYER GET A $$ FROM HIS COOKIE REFFERAL WITHOUT BEING OVER-RULED BY A "MARKETING CODE" GOOGLE SEARCH.

That just send $$'s back to the bigger affiliates at the expense of the battler's for absolutely no good reason!!!

You've already got the player !!! Let the rest of us make something from the fact we refferred them!!!!


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BTW - this criticism is not Stars specific, it applies to all rooms that over-ride cookies with bonus codes!!! Stars are just one of the few that admit that it does.

[Beanie]

Carly answered the questions here, said a problem is being addressed, and instead of being thanked she gets attacked.

Despite what has been falsely stated about me here, seeing that cardrooms apply terms and conditions fairly is what i consider one of the most important issues affiliates have because it is one of the few places where things should be equal. So much of this business is "all the market will bear". Some affiliates get 25% MGR, others get 32%. On all things that the terms and conditions don't cover, anything is possible, 80% MGR even.

At the same time, the cardrooms can say whatever they want in the terms, and they can change them any time they want. Affiliates agree to that, and it puts them in a pretty weak position, which makes it all the more important that they should demand that terms and conditions be clear, fair and enforced.

Some people obviously feel differently, for whatever reasons. But I hope the mass of affiliates will not be intimidated and work for what is best and most fair for everybody. For example, a thread on that weird Full Tilt clause would be a good idea, with affiliates urging Tilt to change that to something less absurd.

We can and should disagree about what are good or valid terms and conditions, but for the life of me I don't see why people are resisting bringing up terms violations, or demnding that cardrooms fairly enforce their terms.

because a culture of ratting affiliates out randomly is bad for everyone (I know I know, you are just looking out for everyone and you just want everything to be fair, of course all of those things benefit you 100%).

Also I doubt Carly needs you to kiss her butt or be her lawyer.

I will say again because clearly you don't get it. Be better and quit worrying about what everyone else is doing. Compete better. Trying to create a system were affiliates randomly narc each other out isn't what I think is the best use of this forum but somehow I imagine you would disagree.

I will give a little context since apparently my posts have been soooooooo unclear. When I started with rakeback I started basically "in house" most of the other outfits didn't know anyone in the industry. I met with most of them (the poker sites)face to face, or I knew them personally through poker. As we all know that was the wild wild west days. Some people benefited greatly from the disorder, I certainly had my moments as well. So as people were taking advantage of this disorder did I foster a culture of ratting affiliates out? Not really. I did have a lot of private conversations that didn't make me a popular guy and I still deal with consequences of those today. But none of those fights made me one nickel but they did cost other people money. Looking back I took the wrong approach, I think it would have been best to shut my mouth because industry leaders that do business in the light of day rely on reputation. Making enemies unnecessarily is not good business.

An affiliates job is to uncover rocks that other people aren't thinking about. Or create systems that others can't. It is not our job to police terms and conditions. Someone making less money doesn't make you more money and probably most importantly if it does you have an agenda, so why should you be the one making the judgments on right and wrong or what is a gray area or not?

Let Stars do their job, or Full Tilt or whatever other sites you guys want to randomly bother. Can't you guys see that you are only hurting your place in the industry by constantly being the one crying "Fire". Admittedly if you post anonymously and you are the one crying fire all the time your standing is likely not hurt.

For the few things you think you have accomplished there are many more that you just come off as whiners about. So my answer is to compete better.

Was that not clear?

PS I don't mind making enemies of certain people since we have basically been having a go at one another since the RGP days

[Beanie]

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