Full Tilt Qualifications for the 60-Day Rule...

[Bryan]

I just read Full Tilt's affiliate newsletter for February, and noticed that they've changed the minimum first deposit down to $10 now, and have added micro stakes games.

$10 is all a player needs to make a first deposit on Full Tilt Poker.

Alongside this new low first deposit limit, we are also adding micro stakes poker. With new lower limits for ring games, players can sit down at a $0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold ‘em table for as little as $0.40, join a Sit & Go for as little as $1 or buy in to a Multi-Table Tournament for just 10 cents!

Tell your players about these great new incentives for real-money play on Full Tilt Poker.

Will this addition change the qualifications for the infamous 60-day rule at Full Tilt? Seems only fair, right?

[Catfish]

Long term, that could be a clever marketing move for FT. Might lure a lot of players away from Stars and Party. I can tell you one thing for sure: the German market for microlimit players is 90% Stars and Party, so that when players move over to FT, some money could be made. It would take some time for those players to qualify for CPA though. And from past experience, next thing could be FT coming up with a rule saying if your player doesn't qualify for CPA within 60 days you lose him, so as an affiliate, you can't be sure whether there is a profit
At which point, FT's recent aff. policies might just backfire since affs. might (rightfully) be reluctant to promote that new deposit rule, after they have shown so much creativity in stealing money from the affiliates.

[xYassassinYx]

so does this mean a player just needs to deposit $10 and get 100points within 60days????

[GoodKarmaKid]

so does this mean a player just needs to deposit $10 and get 100points within 60days????

I don't think anyone knows the answer to that yet. Hopefully Full Tilt will chime in with some clarification.

Jason

[xYassassinYx]

yeah hopefully, a lil confusing how things are always changing lol

[Catfish]

Well ATM it looks like depositing the min deposit would mean the 60-days rule does not apply any longer to that player. That's what I read from the T+C's. So that is positive, but I do not want to underestimate FTs creativity, and T+Cs can be changed as we all could see

[PTC]

Well ATM it looks like depositing the min deposit would mean the 60-days rule does not apply any longer to that player.

The terms still say a minimum balance must be reached, that has not changed.

[resipsa]

[sorry, I'm wrong - post deleted]

[Bryan]

I'm not sure i understand this discussion. Looking at the Full Tilt T&C's here is the infamous 60 day rule under paragraphs 16 and 19 of the definitions (section 2):


16. "Player(s)" or "Player's Account" means the Account(s) opened at FullTiltPoker.com by Real Money Players via a Tracker assigned to you

19. “Real Money Players” are Players who make the minimum required deposit within 60 days of opening an Account.

Minimum required deposit is not a defined term in the agreement. Accordingly, as it appears that the min. deposit is now $10, once the player makes that deposit (withing 60 days), they become a Real Money Player under paragraph 19 and accordingly are treated as a "Player" under your affiliate account under paragraph 16.

Thus, I don't see the concern here. Making it easier for players to deposit small amounts actually encourages players to deposit within the 60 window and makes this rule less draconian.

Please let me know what I am missing.

Thanks for digging through the terms resipsa.

I haven't had the time to sit down and re-read through the T&C's, and I don't have a copy of the "old" T&C's. The old thread regarding the 60-day policy is available here.

From memory though, in order for a player to be tracked to your account, and not subject to the 60-day rule, the player's account balance had to met or exceed $25 (whether via making a deposit, player to player transfer, or winning $$ at a freeroll or other promotion).

According to the terms you posted above, it seems that the deposit portion is covered, thanks to the "minimum required deposit" term. I guess my question now becomes, does the minimum player balance need only get to $10 for the player to be no longer subject to the 60-day rule?

[resipsa]

Thanks for digging through the terms resipsa.

I haven't had the time to sit down and re-read through the T&C's, and I don't have a copy of the "old" T&C's. The old thread regarding the 60-day policy is available here.

From memory though, in order for a player to be tracked to your account, and not subject to the 60-day rule, the player's account balance had to met or exceed $25 (whether via making a deposit, player to player transfer, or winning $$ at a freeroll or other promotion).

According to the terms you posted above, it seems that the deposit portion is covered, thanks to the "minimum required deposit" term. I guess my question now becomes, does the minimum player balance need only get to $10 for the player to be no longer subject to the 60-day rule?

Damn, you caught me right as I was deleting my old post as I realized I was wrong. There is a conflict with section 10.2 of the T&C which is consistent with what you describe. Here is the actual language:

"In order for you to receive commissions for Player(s) who sign up in connection with your Affiliate Account, each Player’s Account balance must reach a minimum of $25 within 60 days after their sign-up. Players may reach that threshold, for example, by depositing money, receiving a player-to-player transfer, or winning money in a freeroll or ring game. Any Player who does not meet the deposit threshold within the 60 day time period described above will not be tracked to your Affiliate Account."

As you said, its not really clear what happens when a player deposits less than $25 and never gets his account up to $25 during the 60 period.