OMG Everleaf

[Newjabber]

So, i was trying to open an account today as a players at cellino poker, a everleaf skin.
First i cant signup because the alias is taken. I try alot of different ones and some that really shouldent be taken like 1234567890 - 223344556699
Anyways i contact support and they tell me that i can try and close the browser and try again.
Now i remember that i had the same problem when opening a pokerroyal account, same skin.
So i close it down, and start over filling out all my info etc.
Now it work.
I then download the software and try to login.
But login failes. I just signed up, do im 100% sure what my user info is.
I then try and request a new password.
You have to fill in your username and email, but when doing that i get the message that the answer to the security question is incorrect! WTF lol
I also havent even recieved a welcome mail.

Conclution. No wonder there are only 111 players only.
The future: Closed within 6 months.

[Mr-AJ]

The future: Closed within 6 months.

That's the only point I disagree
Everleaf is such a tiny network for years now. They sould close it down at least one year ago. I think there's always a reason why some networks can't compete. You pointed it out very well

[pokerprop]

I'm not convinced the games are the up and up either on this network, which is another reason they might fail to compete in the industry.

This is totally my personal opinion, but here's how the story goes:

After a couple days of playing there when the network had first opened, something just didn't feel right. There were a lot more unusual plays then I was accustomed too and it just felt like I kept running into soul reads often.

I kept playing there thinking it would change, I was a smaller loser before high rake back deal, which was winner with the rakeback.

Anyways after 20,000 hands I noticed that the players who were winning the most money, many were one time players. This is a small site, so not surprising people leave and go to bigger sites, but because its a small site its also more likely I'd have deeper hand history with these players. Granted the money they had won from me was rather small and easily could of lost it elsewhere and 20,000 hands is not many. It just added to my suspicion something wasn't right.

So anyways I mention this to a friend one day and he's like no seriously that site is rigged. He says go google search everyone who wins promotions and tournaments with overlays. See how many results you find in google for their user name.. Then go to another small network like pitbull and do the same. You'll see people at Pitbull the same user name is playing somewhere else, but here these people play once win big and disappear. He mentioned all this without me mentioning that I had noticed the same in small sample size in ring games.

So a month or so goes by and this same friend tells me, hey remember that conversation about (everleaf site name). Anyways he combined hand histories with (some number, I forget maybe 5-8) players and all where showing the same thing. A bunch of sessions they where losing to one player and then there was no hand history on that player again.

Full Disclaimer:
This was when network was new. There are other less harmful explanations for this, perhaps sites where using bots who where semi legit. Perhaps they had props who required there names be changed every certain days and it was the same players winning just with different user names, and perhaps we're just nuts and the data was just coincidence or poorly examined. (so many possible explanations)

Most of my knowledge other than my early and no where near conclusive early suspicions comes second hand and now a lot of the details are fuzzy. This friend started a thread about this on a big forum (this was pre AP/UB days) and it was met with "yup, online poker is rigged" responses and was eventually locked. I can't find it now so assume also deleted.

This network is so small that any complaints are going to be met with why play there anyways type posts and doubt the site has any sort of regulars enough to run anything further.

For record I'm not disgruntle x-affiliate, or player that got screwed. I have nothing against the network at all. Just do feel it was worth mentioning back then and it was not well received and since have been biting my lip a few years on the topic. Anyways, my advice is if you're playing there, just keep an eye out and don't at the same table if something just doesn't feel right.

[Newjabber]

Everleaf is such a tiny network for years now. They sould close it down at least one year ago.

Maybe, but you can compare it to bugsyclub. They were a small network for years and just turned the key.

And @pokerprop. Very interesting post.

[Mr-AJ]

Pokerprop, that's a very nice story and it's not too hard to believe. I know that the whole network consists of prop players but I didn't know that something shady is going on there. I guess nobody recognized it because nobody but prop players play there

[gooderpoker]

As you know Raider Poker is on the Everleaf Network and I can only speak from the months we have been on the network.

So, i was trying to open an account today as a players at cellino poker, a everleaf skin.
First i cant signup because the alias is taken. I try alot of different ones and some that really shouldent be taken like 1234567890 - 223344556699
Anyways i contact support and they tell me that i can try and close the browser and try again.
Now i remember that i had the same problem when opening a pokerroyal account, same skin.
So i close it down, and start over filling out all my info etc.
Now it work.
I then download the software and try to login.
But login failes. I just signed up, do im 100% sure what my user info is.
I then try and request a new password.
You have to fill in your username and email, but when doing that i get the message that the answer to the security question is incorrect! WTF lol
I also havent even recieved a welcome mail.

I can only speak for Raider in saying we did not see any technical problems like you mentioned. Some players are asked to close their card room or browser and try again and it seems to work. This is not only an Everleaf problem, it is a common trouble shooting technique for tech and support, used on many clients.
The network is small but is bigger than;
Action Poker Network
Yatahay Network (True Poker)
The Flash Poker Network (PitBull)
So there should not be fear that we will be going anywhere, Also as most skins on Everleaf are not even a year old there is great expectation for growth with Raider having alot of growth in last months and a good business plan for the future. Everleaf also has playing software that is more appealing and advanced than some of our competitors, including new updates and technology being implemented continuously.

Conclution. No wonder there are only 111 players only.
The future: Closed within 6 months.

If you play late at night in North America there are only a small number of players. But the network does have larger traffic during the day with European traffic.

Prop players are on the network to fill tables. This is nothing new to Everleaf or other smaller networks. And I can say for a fact that I have not had a complaint about cheating or rigged play since I started working at Raider. I deal with highrollers to freerollers everyday and most seem to be happy with the software. When I say most I refer to the 1% that complain becasue they got beat by a so called "donkey" But we have had great feedback from players enjoying out software. Alot has also changed at Everleaf and Poker4Ever over the last years and it has been for the better. As affiliates may remember and I do aswell as I was an affiliate at the time, Poker4Erver were hard to work with and they had a very dumb rule when it came to private tournaments that I hated. But with listening to players and affiliates they have improved their service over the years.

Everyone has the right to their opinion and I’m not taking away from that. I just wanted to state what I have seen through working with Raider and Everleaf the last 10 months. Raider and Everleaf are a growing brand and are continuing to improve our product to establish our place in the market.

Ryan

[pokerprop]

Great response Ryan. We've given a ton of players, many high volume ones, exposure to a massive rakeback deal here but only a few dozen or so have actually played and their volume is low. Other than that it's been years since I did anything with Everleaf.

Not sure why, probably a poor assumption, but I had always though Raider Poker was on Merge till I read this post.

[Gydian]

Actually Ryan, I ran into technical issues the first time I tried to setup a Raider Affiliate account, though, I did exactly as you mentioned above and it worked after a quick browser restart.

Outside that, I've only had minor glitches with Raider poker (trying to generate banner link codes) but again, browser restart seems to fix it. Not sure why, but meh.

[gooderpoker]

Actually Ryan, I ran into technical issues the first time I tried to setup a Raider Affiliate account, though, I did exactly as you mentioned above and it worked after a quick browser restart.

Outside that, I've only had minor glitches with Raider poker (trying to generate banner link codes) but again, browser restart seems to fix it. Not sure why, but meh.

I will pass this onto tech and I am glad you mentioned it as I was not aware Raider was being affected. All keep you all updated on the situation.

Ryan

[Gydian]

No worries. As I said on skype, I wasn't aware that it was a global issue, but rather thought it was on my end since the browser restart fixed it. If anything else seems outta whack, I'll let ya know.