Pokerstars - Time to Start Paying FPP's to ALL Players!

[TheDonk]

Pokerstars,

As the title reads, it's time for you guys to start paying FPP's to ALL your players. There has been a LOT of talk behind the scenes lately between aff's about the fact that you guys don't pay FPP's in ring games that create rake amounts of less than $.40 - and it's KILLING US! Conversion rates are down the toilet at Stars, so what reason do we have to send you players?

While I understand that you're looking for 'quality' players, there are a TON of loyal micro-low stakes players that we send you, and never receive a dime for.

Also, what reason do these players have to keep playing at Stars when they can earn bonus and VIP points at every other room? Other rooms appreciate these players, why don't you?

Personally, I've started to point out on my sites that if you are a micro-stakes player, play at XXXXXX site instead, where they appreciate your business.

It's time for you guys to start rewarding your players for paying their rake to you, and to start rewarding your affiliates for sending you tens of thousands of players that you've been greedy about not paying us for.

[NickM]

I agree with Jess. The fact that CPA requirements are based on reaching a certain amount of FPP's makes many, many players worthless to affiliates since micro-limit players can't earn fractional FPP's in ring games. We have discussed tracking issues regarding Pokerstars at length on this board, but I don't think there are any tracking problems at all (PAW or otherwise). I personally think PAW got a bad rap on this.

My 1st depositor to CPA ratio is God-awful at Pokerstars (< 20%), and I believe that this has to do with the near impossibility of a micro-stakes player ever earning enough FPP's to qualify for a CPA payment, regardless of how much rake is earned from said player.

It's not like the Pokerstars software is incapable of awarding fractional FPP's to players -- Fractional FPP's are awarded to tournament players...

[Trikkur]

I agree. Those nano and micro limit games are a huge reason players come to PokerStars. I send a lot of traffic there because players can "bankroll manage" a $50 deposit at the nano limits. Unfortunately I should rethink my strategy if those players are never qualifying.

[TheDonk]

Okay, I've read through this whole page AGAIN, and I'm still confused. Do players actually get partial fpp's for hands with a rake of less than $.40 or not? There is so much contradictory information on this page that it's a mess.

It doesn't say anything about earning partial FPP points anywhere, but it does say that about VPP's. It also says that players earn their first VPP when the rake hits $.40. This is a confusing mess.

Can we get some clarification please?

[NickM]

Can we get a clarification from Pokerstars on this?

There are conflicting statements on the Pokerstars FPP page:

A first VPP is awarded for playing a hand in which the rake reaches

* $0.40 for fixed limit poker games with stakes $1/$2 and lower
* $0.40 for NL/PL poker games with blinds $1/$2 and lower
* $1.00 for all other games

EXAMPLE 4: In a $0.25/$0.50 “6 max” No Limit Hold’em game, with six players dealt in, if the pot size is $6.00, the rake would be $0.30. With $0.30 rake, 1.5 VPP would be awarded. Each of the six players dealt into the hand would receive 0.25 VPPs.

Each time you earn one VPP you will also earn one or more FPPs based on your VIP level.

Huh?

[TheDonk]

If they are paying partial FPP's, and yet these are the conversion ratios, that is even more pitiful than if they aren't awarding partial FPP's.

[cbe2869]

To my knowledge this is something has been discussed and is supposed to happen eventually but right now they are not awarding partial VPPs. They do award partial FPPs but what you really want is for them to start awarding partial VPPs as that's what determines how many FPPs a player gets.

[CK]

If they are paying partial FPP's, and yet these are the conversion ratios, that is even more pitiful than if they aren't awarding partial FPP's.

Not as pitiful as the cheap ass reports they send for rev share. I mean honestly Stars - how much money do you make and you cant front a proper backend? Affiliates should know exactly what their players are depositing, what the deductions are etc not the end result and their cut. Im sure the man power spent inserting the information manually could probably be better directed somewhere else

Your reports are far from being adequate

[kdollar]

I am glad someone brought this up. I am very disappointed with the Revenue Share at Poker Stars.

They only send stats once a month and they show nothing of value except what each tracker is earning. Not knowing the bonus deductions, deposits or individual players stats makes it impossible to know how they are calculating and where my revenue is coming from.

My earnings are no where near what I would expect them to be compared to other poker rooms that I am on rev share.

They also have no official policy on switching affiliates back from Rev Share to CPA...

Not as pitiful as the cheap ass reports they send for rev share. I mean honestly Stars - how much money do you make and you cant front a proper backend? Affiliates should know exactly what their players are depositing, what the deductions are etc not the end result and their cut. Im sure the man power spent inserting the information manually could probably be better directed somewhere else

Your reports are far from being adequate

[MJ]

The reports not showing all the details I'm sure is meant to avoid affiliates paying rakeback (the same rakeback that some affiliates have the green light to give from Stars anyways).