Warning Winnerpoker not paying affiliates

[frankm69]

in december winner offered me to sending them players an a cpa deal and 1000 $ money to run private tournaments.

i thought a platin sponsor at gpwa must be trustable

so we setupt a tournament with 1000 $ added to the pricepool on december 22 and promote them at liveevents and on the internetsite
(i`m working together with some live tournamentmanagers cause they have no time for the affiliatethings and share the comissions with them)

we got over 80 registrations and 56 depositing players but they refused to pay the 8300 $ comission

after the tournament the am told me that my players are not playing poker (i can`t imagine that this is really true cause when the players deposit money and play our tournament they have money left in their accounts and the only thing that they can do with this money is to play poker !)

but i asked the am to give the players some time to play cause its xmas and they all are in stress with buying gifts...

and i offered him to run another tournament and start a rakerace where we give away 3 entrys to the one million guaranteed tournament (all prices paid from me !) but never get an answer (normally a programm works together with their affiliates to get the best results of a relationship-but maybe thats only my opinion)

i have shown the am where and how we promote the tournament at the site from the tournamentmanager

the next thing that the am did was contacting the tournamentmanager and told him that winner is still interested in working together with him and want him to bring them more players-so he tried to bring me out of bussiness

i hope they can explain why they want more from these bad players that are not playing poker !?

if this is the way you are doing bussiness you won`t go far



at the end i want to say sorry to everyone who read this story in another affiliateforum but i see it as a performance of duty to warn other affiliates for working with these scammers

[Ridge]

Man Ive never heard of this place? Anyone else?

[POlka]

Man Ive never heard of this place? Anyone else?

Well they have been really busy got a couple of emails to multiple email adresses aswell as comments on my blogs. Lately i have seen quite some winner poker banners pop up mostly from european affiliates.


@op you could try an contact Gau for mediation.

[webmacho]

how can we beleve you? what is your affiliate manager?

[gooderpoker]

how can we beleve you? what is your affiliate manager?

Are you sticking up for Winnerpoker? who are you

[CK]

i thought a platin sponsor at gpwa must be trustable

Platinum means nothing, nor does Gold, Silver or anything else. Sponsors means sponsor - they pay for their placement and you should be researching for information first before joining a program, regardless of their "sponsor ranks". If you look at the rankings for some of the programs, there are Silver programs that are equal to or better than the Platnium partners. They pay less I assume, but that doesn't make them any less legit. There's platinum partners that I wouldnt list on any site regardless of what they offered to pay me. The rankings are meaningless for affiliates.

A side note - I know Michael has been looking into programs that weren't paying affiliates more closely now and acting as a mediator for the ones he lists on his website when an affiliate feels they've been screwed. I would contact him by pm, explain whats going on and provide proof that you got ripped off (emails, instant messenger chats, ect). Unless you have proof, complaining won't help you. Anyway give that a shot and see if they can help.

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[frankm69]

Well they have been really busy got a couple of emails to multiple email adresses aswell as comments on my blogs. Lately i have seen quite some winner poker banners pop up mostly from european affiliates.


@op you could try an contact Gau for mediation.

first let me say thanks to your all for your help and support

i think gau would only work if i`m a member there and if the room has accepted to work with them or am i wrong ?

@kaus thanks for the infos-i have posted at gpwa in the unethical bahavior reports but hey have removed my thread to the winneraffiliatesforum where nearly noone takes notice of this- so it looks like saying something bad about a platinsponsor in public is undesired

[POlka]

If you send genuine Players there is no reason to write of the money yet. First of all dont burn any bridges now, check your options first before you go on a posting spree how bad winner sucks go for the arbitration first.

I think Kaus gave you excellent advise, contact Michael with all the Info you have and go over the t/c in case you had any arrangment outside of them.

[szury]

I heared of winnerpoker I think it's the newest skin on iPoker. If you met their requirements for the CPA they HAVE TO PAY YOU.

[Winneraff]

Let’s clarify some facts regarding your affiliate account at Winner Affiliates:
Someone contacted Winner Affiliates and asked for a CPA deal, and a special poker promotion at Winner.com. He claimed that he is representing a poker site, and that he can generate decent traffic.
Soon after the promotion began we realized that all players are depositing exactly 20EUR. 100% of these players tried to make a deposit. Most players who managed to deposit at Winner.com, never logged back to their account. These are clear signs of a CPA abuser. Why would one deposit money at a poker room, but never play?
We have a fraud team which immediately noticed this subspecies activity, and informed us of the problem.
We sent an email to the owner of the poker site, informing him of the trouble with one of his moderators (apparently you). The owner of the site claimed that you are his friend, but he then created his own affiliate account.
Due to the confusing situation we asked not to send anymore traffic, and we offered the person 50% revenue share for this fraud traffic.
We ask for more time to investigate, but you chose to post disinformation on good affiliate forums.
Our affiliate program is relatively new, yet we already paid thousands of affiliates. We pay full amounts, on time, even if the traffic looks bad, but why should we pay for fraud?
We have a huge budget for player acquisition, a very good product, and an experienced team of dedicated affiliate managers. They are here to manage real affiliates, and establish healthy business relationships.
If you want to discuss further then contact me personally ilan @ WinnerAffiliates.com, or call me +44-800-0470-700.