Calling Out Other Affiliates

[CK]

This is my only question for all the people who think we should be calling other affiliates out.

Have you thought about the problems this could cause as a community? Forget what it does for one person or for yourself for a moment and think about what it could do, and the problems that could come from it as a group. Im telling you there are a heck of alot of people who are breaking rules equally based on program T&C's. Including some who like to rally with the call em out group to. I personally dont care because eventually everything comes full circle. But I do think if calling out affiliates (because of lack of enforcement by the programs) becomes the norm - it's going to create one hell of a storm later that I think alot of people may regret and could damage a community.

Im not saying whether OP was right or wrong. He has/had (if Pokerstars fixed it) a very good reason to be pissed - Im just asking everyone to give this some thought. I can see it becoming a daily occurance where one person calls out so and so, and the next thing you know the threads are filled with people attacking each other. I also see this community going bye-bye because nobody would want to put themselves in a vulnerable position like that. And if the people who are helping no longer post, what's left?

Jeremy - could we possibly create a new thread for this particular topic. It would be a good one to discuss including how to handle it or ways to go around this. Although I think it should be a general discussion and not an all out free for all through people under the bus.

[Spry]

in most other affiliate forums it is a no-no (and clearly stated as such) to out other people landing pages and or sites.

[PokerNations]

in most other affiliate forums it is a no-no (and clearly stated as such) to out other people landing pages and or sites.

Isn't it through the "outing" process that Affiliate Media/Cardspike was uncovered?

Would you say something like that is acceptable to "out"? And if so, where is the line drawn on what we don't "out"?

[Spry]

First of all, I stated that this was how it is done in most other affiliate forums.
secondly, no, that's not how cardspike was uncovered. That was uncovered by Ridges (ironic isn't it?) relentless constant bringing up the fact that payments were not made and exposing player complaints.

[CK]

What happened to Cherylle's mod status btw?

I asked to be removed a couple weeks ago.

[PokerNations]

First of all, I stated that this was how it is done in most other affiliate forums.
secondly, no, that's not how cardspike was uncovered. That was uncovered by Ridges (ironic isn't it?) relentless constant bringing up the fact that payments were not made and exposing player complaints.

It is very ironic. Doesn't change my question though. What is the line as far as what is and isn't ok to "call out"? Who does something have to impact before it's ok for it to be made public? Does it only apply to large companies or what about individuals, etc?

[Hazo]

This is a business forum. I made a business decision that has resulted in me saving more than 12k a year.

Maybe I misunderstood the premise of this forum. If it's just a social outing, then I'm fine with that. But make it clear.

If we're here to do business and make business decisions, then we should be able to voice and discuss business issues.

No matter who is involved.

[CK]

Isn't it through the "outing" process that Affiliate Media/Cardspike was uncovered?

Would you say something like that is acceptable to "out"? And if so, where is the line drawn on what we don't "out"?

Anthony there is a huge difference between a poker room not paying and an affiliate breaking T&C's set out by the room and pissing everyone off.

My opinion is if an affiliate is stealing or whatever fine call em out. If the affiliate is breaking rules set out by the card rooms I dont think its our responsability to police that. If the rooms don't enforce their own rules, than why are we the ones to do it. Now this is the way I look at it, and Im not saying Im right or someone else is wrong. This is just my personal view.

You don't know certain whether an affiliate had the persmission to go ahead..and yes that happens even though it's been said "under no circumstances" to someone else. And I doubt the programs will disclose that information to you if they did give the thumbs up.

So I guess my question would be - at what point do you stop holding other affiliates accountable and start holding the programs accountable for what affects your bottom line.

Hazo - This is not directed at you at all or about you posting. It's just something that has come up alot, and one of the reasons I asked to be removed as mod. I didnt like catching heat for this stuff. So hopefully everyone can discuss without arguing.

[Hazo]

I guess the point is by calling out an affiliate, the program feels public pressure to act.

[Hazo]

Also, I want to add this.

I think if anyone here had the choice of >12k by calling an affiliate out, or remaining silent to protect the offenders privacy or whatever.

I know what option would be chosen.