Reminder UB (Ultimate Bet) Absolute are Cheats

[pokerprop]

UltimateBet Management Needs To Explain The Errors With The Cheating Accounts - Poker News - News, Views and Gossip

[jdwanchalk]

Ok, it was years ago and there hasn't been any "theft" since. It happened under old management. The newer management may not have taken it as seriously as they should have, but the fact remains that they did not start or intentionally allow the cheating to continue.

I have played there for a few years, hundreds of thousands of hands. I have made over $50,000 in cashouts, thousands in transfers. I have not received NEAR the service I received on UB at either PokerStars, Full Tilt or Cake Poker. Not even close, actually.

They have the fastest and easiest payouts, and it is not even close. Their support, as a whole, is infinitely better than any other poker site. UB's rewards programs are much better than FTP/Stars/Cake etc.

I could make a post asking people why they play on sites that treat them like shit with awful support, player programs, and don't care about payouts, but I don't.

UB is better than FTP/Stars/Cake, and that is a fact. Unless, of course, you are going to worry about things that happened years ago under OLD management.

[NickM]

Oh boy, here we go...

[leporello]

UB is better than FTP/Stars/Cake, and that is a fact. Unless, of course, you are going to worry about things that happened years ago under OLD management.

The ownership of the company is a much disputed issue. In fact I know of several industry insiders who have said that Russ Hamilton (one of the main people in the superuser scandal) still retains a large stake in the company.

(FWIW I promote UB on all my sites)

[pokerprop]

Dude, not too many who followed the story believe the "old management" theory. In any case the new management admitted to wrong doing ONLY after being caught red handed, in lies and beyond any shadow of a doubt was involved in the cover up. The company is crooks period. I'm just letting people know.

I was never a big UB fan but made WAY over the #'s JD quoted in cashouts on AP (owned by same company) and was given (and then sold) a WSOP Main Event seat for leader board win. I made plenty of money playing there, more than any other site. still does not change the fact they are cheats and think anyone who actually takes the time to research it in detail and doesn't see this is totally brain dead. I understand though for most players and affiliates it is more convenient to just accept the version at face value that best suits needs.

With a long well written out posts on subject at 2+2 though it was worth the bump here. There might be some newer affiliates who are not aware Ultimate Bet is most likely Owned and Managed by Cheats!

[jdwanchalk]

Dude, not too many who followed the story believe the "old management" theory. In any case the new management admitted to wrong doing ONLY after being caught red handed, in lies and beyond any shadow of a doubt was involved in the cover up. The company is crooks period. I'm just letting people know.

I was never a big UB fan but made WAY over the #'s JD quoted in cashouts on AP (owned by same company) and was given (and then sold) a WSOP Main Event seat for leader board win. I made plenty of money playing there, more than any other site. still does not change the fact they are cheats and think anyone who actually takes the time to research it in detail and doesn't see this is totally brain dead. I understand though for most players and affiliates it is more convenient to just accept the version at face value that best suits needs.

With a long well written out posts on subject at 2+2 though it was worth the bump here. There might be some newer affiliates who are not aware Ultimate Bet is most likely Owned and Managed by Cheats!

Has UB had any issues for the past few years? Have I ever been affected? Is there a legitimate threat to my money's/account's security? Is UB better in all important aspects for me as a player than Cake/FTP/Stars?

These should be the questions of importance. The US was subject to scandal, it doesn't mean that no one will ever put their trust in the country again (Ok, bad example). The new management, at most, didn't do their best to stop the cheating, but they never started or perpetuated it. There is a big difference between not realizing what problems exist and actually starting the problems yourself.

Again, right now UB is better than any other site out there, and they are not a site who I am afraid will ever steal my money.

I'm not going to play on Stars where the rewards suck unless you play 1million hands a year, where the payouts are slower, where there is no rakeback, and where the support is inferior to UB.

I'm not going to play on FTP where the rewards suck no matter what, I get less rakeback, the payouts are VERY, VERY slow, and the support takes weeks to give a reply. Even when they do reply they don't answer the questions at hand.

I'm not going to play on Cake where the rewards system is laughable, the payout process is a MAJOR pain and very slow, the support gives canned responses (even if they are quick) and there is very minimal tables/games running.

I am going to play on UB where the rewards system is the best, the payouts are the best, the support is the best, the rakeback is very good, and the table/game selection is great.

Only a fool would worry about two year old issues started by old employees when putting all of these other important factors aside. People who hate UB/AP act like they are still cheating people or as if there is any real reason to believe NEW management would do something an entirely different set of people did.

UB>FTP/FTP/Stars, and it is not even close.

[pokerprop]

Where is any solid evidence that there is such as things as "new management" or "new ownership". Yes ownership did change mid scandal, however it wouldn't have taken much to see this. When players win at a rate equivalent to winning the lotto a few times and then get assistant with name changes, cashouts etc, there is a major leak. Where not talking about small numbers either.

As far as the other thing goes that's a matter of preference not fact, and you forgot Bodog in the mix who has by far the fastest cashouts (including a Direct Cash Transfer Option) and the softest games, and the most proven track record, but no one pays attention to them.

I can't speak much though from the player perspective because I don't play NLHE outside of tournaments. For cash games I play just about everything else but NLHE is boring as all hell to me.

[Newjabber]

These should be the questions of importance. The US was subject to scandal, it doesn't mean that no one will ever put their trust in the country again (Ok, bad example).

Thx for a morning laugh.

So jd, as a player, is UB or AP equal when it comes to the reward system, or is one better than the other?

[jdwanchalk]

Thx for a morning laugh.

So jd, as a player, is UB or AP equal when it comes to the reward system, or is one better than the other?

Yea, they are the same. They use some different names for their reward structures, but they work in the same way.

[actyper]

As far as the other thing goes that's a matter of preference not fact, and you forgot Bodog in the mix who has by far the fastest cashouts (including a Direct Cash Transfer Option) and the softest games, and the most proven track record, but no one pays attention to them.

I can't speak much though from the player perspective because I don't play NLHE outside of tournaments. For cash games I play just about everything else but NLHE is boring as all hell to me.

In general Bodog hasn't done much in growing their poker business. They have made improvements here and there, but are still to this date uninterested in taking their poker side to the next level.

Though I agree not enough has been done to close this cheating scandal, I have absolutely no doubt that the current UB/AP is just as safe as any of the other major sites out there.