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    Just wanted to say hello as I just joined. I am new to the affiliate business but eager to browse around in here and learn as much as I can. A guy I know promtes poker and casinos and must do pretty well so I thought I would join here to learn more and hopefully get into this a little myself.

    I do have some website skills as far as building and maintaining websites but do not currently own any gambling sites. Being somewhat new, curious what everyone thinks is a good starting point. Doing a little research it seems casino must be pretty hard to break into and poker right behind that. If you were just starting out where would you start?

    I think I would like to buy a site that is already built to start and then maybe build one of my own once I get a little more experience. Sound like a good idea?

    Thanks - Mike

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    Hi Mike,

    My general impression of the 'complete website' marketplace is quite bad; usually people let go of domains with little to no substance unless you have a serious amount of capital to spend on a purchase. The site you purchase should have authority, healthy backlinks, great on and off-page SEO so I would thoroughly recommend you to mature in these skills by yourself instead of buying an existing website.

    With platforms like drupal and wordpress it has become a piece of cake to put together your first site, throw up some high quality content (especially if you're a good writer yourself) with little to no budget. What I can recommend however, is buying some cheap keyword domains. MJ should be able to help you out there, he has big lists of domains he's willing to let go of cheaply (start at $25 or something?) and if you play your cards right they will convert and make you your first income. I checked a bunch of his websites through the google keyword tool that went for those amounts, and noticed that they almost always have 100-300 exact match searches. A great way to start!

    I remember the olden days. I would look at my competition endlessly for days and days, making a list of what my first site should have and how I was going to get it right FOR SURE because of my plentiful research. In my head I was already spending the money I was going to earn. I was of course completely wrong. You have to create a site, fall flat on your face, get up and learn from your mistakes. Rinse and repeat a couple of times so you become savvy enough to build on your successes and cut your failures in time.

    So in response to your question; Hit up MJ, see what he has in his portfolio, run them through the google keyword tool to see which ones have 150+ exact matches a month (button on the left, don't forget, broad match sucks), install wordpress on it with hostgator or whichever service is economical ($9 a month hostgator), install the thesis theme and keep educating yourself through this forum and others for the best on-site and off-site SEO practices.

    No one is going to give you the right tricks when it comes to SEO, and now more than ever everyone is fishing for information so get ready to join them. Start relying on yourself to figure out what is right and what is wrong, and by keeping the budget low on your first domain you'll figure it out with perseverance. Don't quit your day job quite yet, and do it on the side until you can fully support yourself like a true affiliate jedi.
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    If I can do a self-plug - I've got a step by step guide written here Welcome to the Affiliate Marketing Step by Step Guide | Dealer Dan's Affiliate Bible

    That's written specifically for people in your situation and fine-tuned after years of dealing with thousands of new affiliates.

    As Laurence said - I would check into domains that MJ owns. He owns tons of great ones.

    In regard to poker vs casino - I'd personally go casino. I think there's a lot of niche in the casino market that just isn't that competitive yet. In addition to what Laurence said about using Google Keyword tool - also search Google yourself, and see what the Top 5 sites are for 3 primary keywords based off the potential domains. Get an idea of the competition, and how likely it is you could rank for the primary keywords.
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    https://sedo.com/search/searchresult...957ec16c110ef1

    ^MJ's portfolio, I'm sure he doesn't mind me posting the link.

    And read the affiliate bible, there's pure gold in there.

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    FWIW, if I were starting a new site, I wouldn't even consider anything but a .com. KW domains can be great but they're definitely a little less effective than they used to be. They can also inhibit the building of a brand.

    For example, to use a random domain I had for sale recently PlayTexasHoldem.org, I would say that is extremely difficult to build a brand around. On the other hand if you regged say HoldemMoney or HoldemWiz or anything like that, you're giving yourself the opportunity to build a brand and persona away from the restrictive nature of kw domains.

    Having seen the way Google has built their algorithms more and more around big brands giving less and less weight to kw domains, I really think now is the best time to learn about brand building. You could easily spend 5 years in the industry and know little to nothing about building a brand, something that is essential for the longevity of a business. I'm embarrassed to say that after 5 years I still struggle with some elements of it.

    So IMO, buy a cheap reg price domain that you can build a brand around and go from there.
    Currently looking to buy income earning websites. I have a large budget for the right project. If you have any form of money earning site in gambling, finance or any other related niche, and want to sell, ship me a pm and let's work out a deal.

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    On an unrelated note, I'm much more optimistic about the marketplace. I sold a domain recently for $100 here and had an offer a month later for $1000. There are lots of similar bargains. I think MJ had some outstandingly priced domains in his $25 thread. I actually think PAL is one of the worst places to sell as people want to pay way less than what I believe is true market value. CasinoBonuses.com sold for 30 or 40k recently and I doubt anyone on PAL would have paid a fraction of that if it was put up here for private sale.

    Similarly on the websites for sale forum. I've made maybe 10 or more purchases there ranging from 3 figures to mid 5 figures. Only one of those buys was a poor one and that was because of me trusting stats against my better judgement.

    That 1 sale is the only purchase I've made here that hasn't turned a profit. Some sites I've made 5x+ the sale price within 12 months. So while I do think for your own sake it would be better to start from the bottom up and build your own site, I do also think there are some decent bargains to be had in the sales forum.

    And as DealerDan said, I'd also recommend casino. It's the highest player value niche and traffic isn't that hard to come by when you target the right terms.

    Good luck.
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    Also looking for premium domain.

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    One issue with building a brand - is that it is really beyond a new affiliates scope, or way of thinking. Starting off aiming at building a brand - it makes their website too ambiguous. And they'll usually always go down the route we've seen many times before on PAL- a big catch all duplicate of Pokerlistings etc with absolutely no focus to it and just all over the place.

    While I agree with you in regard to brand building - I think for brand new affiliates, it's always best to focus on one niche and having a specific keyword domain is great for that. You mentioned PlayTexasHoldem.org - yep, that's really tough to build a brand around. But it'd be perfect for a new affiliate. It keeps them focused. The whole focus of the site revolves around "Play Texas Holdem", and it also makes it easier to plan a website out based on that. It can also teach them a lot more about keyword research, targeting secondary keywords, longtail keywords etc.

    And yeah the PAL marketplace and domaining in general is a buyers market at the moment. This is one of the best times for new affiliates to get in and snag some great domains. Plus there's a mind trick to it - paying $100 for a domain off someone compared to paying $1-$6 reg fee(depending on coupons) will usually motivate the hell out of them a lot more, and make them approach it in a more serious manner.
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    great tips guys---

    your making me really think about what I should do next....

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    Quote Originally Posted by DealerDan View Post
    One issue with building a brand - is that it is really beyond a new affiliates scope, or way of thinking. Starting off aiming at building a brand - it makes their website too ambiguous. And they'll usually always go down the route we've seen many times before on PAL- a big catch all duplicate of Pokerlistings etc with absolutely no focus to it and just all over the place.

    While I agree with you in regard to brand building - I think for brand new affiliates, it's always best to focus on one niche and having a specific keyword domain is great for that. You mentioned PlayTexasHoldem.org - yep, that's really tough to build a brand around. But it'd be perfect for a new affiliate. It keeps them focused. The whole focus of the site revolves around "Play Texas Holdem", and it also makes it easier to plan a website out based on that. It can also teach them a lot more about keyword research, targeting secondary keywords, longtail keywords etc.

    And yeah the PAL marketplace and domaining in general is a buyers market at the moment. This is one of the best times for new affiliates to get in and snag some great domains. Plus there's a mind trick to it - paying $100 for a domain off someone compared to paying $1-$6 reg fee(depending on coupons) will usually motivate the hell out of them a lot more, and make them approach it in a more serious manner.
    I'm not so sure HoldemDonkey.com or CasinoChief.com or BettingBuccaneer.com etc are going to end up turning into big all in one sites, as the domain/brand implicitly describes the niche of the site. It would be weird to be building holdemdonkey and suddenly start introducing sports betting or casino articles to the site.

    I really think starting now with keyword domains is a bad idea, especially lower end EMDs like 3 word .orgs. Sure it might seem like a massive task to do it, but who wasn't overwhelmed in their early days as an affiliate? My first time reading about SEO had me thinking omg I will never be able to do this. I have a friend atm who owns a clothes store who I've been helping to make the transition online. When I mentioned PPC to him and he started reading about it he was ready to give up as he found it overwhelming. I personally would say that brand building is similar to both of of these cases. However, if I had the option I'd much rather make mistakes and learn the hard way about building a brand from scratch. In 1-2 years time if you have progressed, it will be much easier to make the transition from small to medium and medium to large with something brandable than it will be with onlineslotscasinogames.org

    Either way, best of luck with whatever route you do decide to take and don't be shy to post on PAL for advice.
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    I think if you start with a brand-able domain you can really do both--build a large site but also start small without overwhelming yourself. A really long-tail keyword domain is just going to net you like 20 pages and be really hard to set up a website. I think a site like HoldemDonkey or CasinoChief could become large sites because there is just so much information about those two topics you could easily do 100-200 page sites on them (especially the latter). That said, I'd really not want to do either on those domains but thats my personal choice.

    Starting from scratch today I wouldn't do a small scale site at all and I wouldn't buy any either because some sites can just be toxic and you dont really know until you get your hands in the back-end. Find out what your passion is and do that as you'll enjoy it more, your content will be better and you wont hate life after a few months of staring at the same site over and over again.

    I think there is money to be made catering to solving problems that players/affiliates have in the industry. What do players dislike about a poker/casino/sports room(s)? Why? What can I do to fix that?

    Dedicate a site to solving problems and providing information that people want to know. That's true regardless of industry.
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