US citizens face indefinite detention if ACCUSED

[wjb316]

Military given go-ahead to detain US terrorist suspects without trial | World news | The Guardian

Now... I'm not a big conspiracy theorist or one who falls into fear mongering, but this is some serious shit. I'm still in shock that this is even being considered.

Make sure you don't join any tea party groups, occupy wall street groups, be a military veteran or own more than 7 days of food.

[MJ]

Definately supports the idea of getting rid of facebook et all too.

[Catfish]

I cannot believe this. This seems as close to an emergency law as possible. Does anyone have a link to the exact etxt of that bill?

How can anyone claiming to believe in democracy even consider such a law is totally beyond me. I mean, hasn't history shown over and over again that this is the kind of lawmaking that can precede dictatorship?
I wouldn't have thought that the US public would accept such an erosion of civil rights, not even after 9/11, but it looks there is no limit to human stupidity. On the other hand, it looks like they sneaked it in as an attachment to some other law, which seems to have become a systematic procedure for this type of laws.

If such a law were ever applied, you might see an avalanche that would change US society completely. Personally, I have stopped regarding the US as "land of the free" a while ago, but this is simply unbelievable.

[Spry]

Now now... don't you worrying bout this silly little new law. For sure they are only going to imprison the bad people. I hear there's a new singer on American Idol you're going to loooooooooooove. Plus, hey, how bout Tebow... he is amaxing no?

[Catfish]

Now now... don't you worrying bout this silly little new law. For sure they are only going to imprison the bad people. I hear there's a new singer on American Idol you're going to loooooooooooove. Plus, hey, how bout Tebow... he is amaxing no?

I think you are right. As long as the average American has enough food on the table, gas prices are low and the TV provides entertainment, why should he give a xxxx about a law that might get him imprisoned a few months down the road just for voicing an opinion that is not mainstream?

If one reads that other thread given by the OP, where it says that homemade "terrorism threats" need to be included in the war on terror it kind of makes you wonder who they will decide to apply that law on. Especially if you read that those "homemade threats" might include YOU just for being opposed to an over-powerful central state, abortion etc.

This kind of law may seem relatively "innocent" to the average guy at this point, but this stuff tends to get out of hand. In Germany, we had the perfect example of that. A part of the constitution of the Weimar Republic allowed the government to rule by emergency law, and the very same emergency law was later used by the Nazis to establish dictatorship.

This is exactly where the problem lies. A "well-meant" law, passed by honest people, can be used by someone else for less ethic purposes.

Anyway, I am wondering: isn't that law inconstitutional? In my home country Germany, if a similar law was ever even discussed, it would only take days before someone would file a lawsuit at the "Verfassungsgericht" (a tribunal that watches over the constitution).

[Jeremy]

Pretty much if you are a U.S. citizen and do not support the tyrannical U.S. government you can now be labeled a homegrown terrorist. The biggest terrorists in the entire world are those in the U.S. government who think we need to occupy every country, drop bombs all over the place, and police the world.

No shit other countries want to commit terrorism against us, we set up bases in their countries, kill their people, and terrorize them non stop.

Now that the boogie man (Bin Laden) was killed and thrown into the ocean, lol, our glorious leaders with a 9% approval rating need a new breed of terrorists to scare the people into submission with. Looks like it is the U.S. citizens turn.

I have guns, precious metals, and over a year of food storage. Even worse I support Ron Paul. I should make a video of myself climbing on monkey bars with a mask over my face and then maybe film myself on one knee shooting my rifle. Hell yea, be scared of me, I'm a potential homegrown terrorist!

[wjb316]

Pretty much if you are a U.S. citizen and do not support the tyrannical U.S. government you can now be labeled a homegrown terrorist. The biggest terrorists in the entire world are those in the U.S. government who think we need to occupy every country, drop bombs all over the place, and police the world.

No shit other countries want to commit terrorism against us, we set up bases in their countries, kill their people, and terrorize them non stop.

Now that the boogie man (Bin Laden) was killed and thrown into the ocean, lol, our glorious leaders with a 9% approval rating need a new breed of terrorists to scare the people into submission with. Looks like it is the U.S. citizens turn.

I have guns, precious metals, and over a year of food storage. Even worse I support Ron Paul. I should make a video of myself climbing on monkey bars with a mask over my face and then maybe film myself on one knee shooting my rifle. Hell yea, be scared of me, I'm a potential homegrown terrorist!

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[wjb316]

The problem isn't with our leaders; it's with our population.

I'm not even going to get into it because it would end up being a 40 page thesis that would cover everything from moral relativism to the breakdown of family values and much more.

[parttimepoker]

Not sure why everyone is up in arms about this, given that ...

1) If you're a US citizen and you're poor, you can already be locked up indefinitely just based on an accusation. The country has jails filled with people who haven't been convicted of any crime who are waiting for a court date - can take months, even years.

2) Pretty sure under Patriot Act they could already detain you indefinitely based on secret warrants. Now it will just happen openly.

3) We already killed a US citizen or two that were accused of being Al Qaeda members w/o this law in place.

4) People involved in political protest have been subject to FBI surveillance and harassment since more or less the inception of the FBI.

Also, I'm pretty sure these detentions can still be challenged in the courts.

Random, related responses:

Our leaders don't have a 9% approval rate. Congress has a 9% approval rate. Our leader's rate hovers in the 40's.

If you elect for Ron Paul, states will just pass this kind of nonsense on their own - probably even worse. You don't have to look beyond (attempted) immigration law at the state level to see that states are even more radical and impulsive that the USFG when it comes to curtailing rights. What you won't have anymore is a DOJ to check them.

I get that there are some juicy soundbites to this law, but if your opinion is that this is the law that represents the end of freedom in the US - that ship sailed a long time ago. If you don't feel like your freedom has been curtailed up until this point, this law does not substantially change the facts of the game.

[wjb316]

Not sure why everyone is up in arms about this, given that ...

1) If you're a US citizen and you're poor, you can already be locked up indefinitely just based on an accusation. The country has jails filled with people who haven't been convicted of any crime who are waiting for a court date - can take months, even years.

2) Pretty sure under Patriot Act they could already detain you indefinitely based on secret warrants. Now it will just happen openly.

3) We already killed a US citizen or two that were accused of being Al Qaeda members w/o this law in place.

4) People involved in political protest have been subject to FBI surveillance and harassment since more or less the inception of the FBI.

Also, I'm pretty sure these detentions can still be challenged in the courts.

Random, related responses:

Our leaders don't have a 9% approval rate. Congress has a 9% approval rate. Our leader's rate hovers in the 40's.

If you elect for Ron Paul, states will just pass this kind of nonsense on their own - probably even worse. You don't have to look beyond (attempted) immigration law at the state level to see that states are even more radical and impulsive that the USFG when it comes to curtailing rights. What you won't have anymore is a DOJ to check them.

I get that there are some juicy soundbites to this law, but if your opinion is that this is the law that represents the end of freedom in the US - that ship sailed a long time ago. If you don't feel like your freedom has been curtailed up until this point, this law does not substantially change the facts of the game.

I agree in part but it's pretty silly to suggest we should ignore this latest intrusion on our freedoms because it's already bad.