Ron Paul can and will win Republican Nomination

[Gydian]

In the end does it even really matter who gets elected? It's not like they're pulling the strings anyway. The US is doomed to plenty more years of corruption and progressive reduction of any rights and/or freedoms they had. Jeremy hit it right on the head when he said the country is filled with a bunch of sheep. Same can be said about any country though. Look at us in Canada. We're getting the shit end of the stick too.

[parttimepoker]

I think his son being a senator will keep him from running as a 3rd party. Otherwise, Rand Paul is going to get a lot of blowback when it comes time to run for reelection and he might get taken out in the primary.

Pretty sure they tried to take him out last primary and it didn't matter.

[parttimepoker]

In the end does it even really matter who gets elected? It's not like they're pulling the strings anyway. The US is doomed to plenty more years of corruption and progressive reduction of any rights and/or freedoms they had. Jeremy hit it right on the head when he said the country is filled with a bunch of sheep. Same can be said about any country though. Look at us in Canada. We're getting the shit end of the stick too.

I think it 100% matters. Pretty sure if you get Gore instead of Bush in 2000 we never go to war in Iraq. Dodd-Frank is an actual law with actual teeth with a Dem-controlled Congress in 2010. There are thousands of other examples, both hypothetical and historical, of how a GOP-dominated USFG differs from a Dem-dominated.

That's to say nothing of the differing ideologies of the SC nominees (and other federal judges) each party would nominate / confirm and the massive impact the decisions of those courts have on public and private life.

I'm not interested in getting into a long argument about the US and politics, because if anyone honestly believes that the US is heading toward fascism or that it doesn't matter if you vote GOP or Dem, there's not much of a conversation to be had.

[resipsa]

Pretty sure they tried to take him out last primary and it didn't matter.

True, but it will be a different story if the whole party blames a Ron Paul 3rd party candidacy for an Obama 2nd term, the same way they blame Perot for Clinton or Dems blame Nader for Bush. No question the establishment already doesn't like him, but the big guns would really come out next time in that scenario. That part is a shitty situation, but it puts Ron Paul in a bad spot as a dad....I'm sure he doesn't want to be responsible for ending his son's political career.

[parttimepoker]

There's just not anything they could do. Pushing back against Paul would only enrage his base, increase his support and burnish his image as an outsider. KY politics are local, and national interference would backfire in a heartbeat.

[resipsa]

There's just not anything they could do. Pushing back against Paul would only enrage his base, increase his support and burnish his image as an outsider. KY politics are local, and national interference would backfire in a heartbeat.

I concede I know nothing of local KY politics, so you might be right (but i have a hard time seeing things working out in that scenario). However, if the Paul camp is not concerned about that issue, than I don't think there is anything to stop him from mounting a 3rd party candidacy once he inevitably is frozen out of the republican nominating process (they wouldn't even let him speak at the convention last time).

[Spry]

The thing that republicans are up against this election is that if they do not nominate Dr. Ron Paul then they he is going to run as an independent. Taking a huge chunk of votes from the republicans. Whenever RP is mentioned someone is always there to say 'Oh he can never win.' Bla-bla-bla... I don't know what the other choice is now. Romney (omg come on) or Akhnaten again.


Did anyone see the Drudge Report Polling (before they shut it down) they had open just before the ballots opened in Iowa? Ron Paul was winning by a healthy percentage over Romney (i know, it doesn't really matter) but it was a bit surprising to see that many Drudge readers on the Ron Paul bandwagon. I thought most drudge readers were fairly hardcore whoever Sean Hannity told them to vote for type of peoples.

*joking about Akhnaten

[wjb316]

In the end does it even really matter who gets elected? It's not like they're pulling the strings anyway. The US is doomed to plenty more years of corruption and progressive reduction of any rights and/or freedoms they had. Jeremy hit it right on the head when he said the country is filled with a bunch of sheep. Same can be said about any country though. Look at us in Canada. We're getting the shit end of the stick too.

I get to feeling the same way, but I still try to participate. At the very least, I can sleep at night knowing I didn't sit by idly while our country was stolen right out from under us.

The thing that republicans are up against this election is that if they do not nominate Dr. Ron Paul then they he is going to run as an independent. Taking a huge chunk of votes from the republicans. Whenever RP is mentioned someone is always there to say 'Oh he can never win.' Bla-bla-bla... I don't know what the other choice is now. Romney (omg come on) or Akhnaten again.


Did anyone see the Drudge Report Polling (before they shut it down) they had open just before the ballots opened in Iowa? Ron Paul was winning by a healthy percentage over Romney (i know, it doesn't really matter) but it was a bit surprising to see that many Drudge readers on the Ron Paul bandwagon. I thought most drudge readers were fairly hardcore whoever Sean Hannity told them to vote for type of peoples.

*joking about Akhnaten

Does Ron Paul have an "anyone but Obama" attitude if he loses? I do to be honest. If he does not get the nomination, I hope he will at least back out and let us elect the lesser (barely) of two evils.

[TheGooner]

Unfortunately, being correct, or having a firm grasp of the issues matters little in general elections.

Ron Paul does not have enough mainstream media support or sympathy to be successful in any broad based political election.

He might win a few nomination votes in the state polls from people who carefully study the issues and events - but THAT is not the general population - when things move to the public votes (and lowest common denominator) then Ron Paul simply does not have the persona and image to appeal.

Winning a presidential election requires, money, image and charisma (or at least the facade of charisma that survives TV interogation).
Ron Paul does not have the personal attributes to win a public election / beauty contest ... or to even come close.

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