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    eugh Matt, cba quoting and editing your last thread.

    1st point: Basically, i think a hot supermodel winning the wsop would make an impact through every guys magazine, and even many of the women's. That's a huge market base. If you disagree (also kaus), then so be it, agree to disagree.

    2nd point: poker being geeky. I base this on all my friends opinions and outlook on poker. Whether or not you imagine them to be losers is irrelevant really, that's subjective. have to admit in my opinion also poker is a bit geeky. staying up at night playing online poker in your bedroom? = anti-social and nerdy.

    I would'nt call poker a social game. without a doubt online poker is anti-social. live poker yes it has social aspects, but you are gambling with others and that is generally an anti-social tenant.

    Lastly, my point wasn't that sex sells as a generality. it's that there is massive scope and potential for using it in poker, and it is underutilised. and that it can be exploited and utilised so easily.

    agree or disagree w/e, wouldn't have wasted my time on this thread if i didn't beleive it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pokeraussie View Post
    Oh yeah she is my idol because she plays poker She is a freakin hottie and ran deep in WSOP 2008/2009 so can obviously play poker.
    Actually you misconstrued my meaning. I didn't say she was your idol or even allude to anything like that. I would classify her as an extremely average looking woman.

    Quote Originally Posted by pokeraussie View Post
    The way you are carrying on you must be a supermodel.
    Lol. How I look has absolutely 0 relevance to the workings of a rating system. If someone is a 10/10 then they don't get a 15/10 if I'm ugly or a 9/10 if I'm Patrik Antonius.
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    It's not so much that I disagree, aside from what I mentioned that I disagree with, it's the extent of what would happen that I disagree with.

    Would the woman that won be on the cover of every magazine in the world? Sure, hell yeah she would. But then the month after - what then?

    I mean - aside from porn, you haven't really mentioned how this would affect poker as a whole. It might gain some popularity, but that's easily done without exploiting women.

    So my question: How is poker going to benefit from some bimbo winning a WSOP/WPT/misc title?

    Also, again I point out the fact that no matter how right you may be, it's so unlikely that it'll happen that it could be a reason why it hasn't been done yet. As I mentioned before, it's not so much due to the skills as it is due to the growing tournaments fields.

    Another thing to consider - you think some random hooker winning a title is going to make poker more social? Given how poker is more mainstream and watched by millions on TV around the world, I'd bet that a successful women that is smart and carries herself well will do waaaay more than some random celeb would. Parents aren't going to let their kids idolize some hooker, but they will let them be fans of someone who carries themselves in a professional manner - being attractive is just a bonus.

    Also, if the poker world had a ton to gain from a sexual standpoint and it was likely to be successful, chances are someone would've done it already.

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    So my question: How is poker going to benefit from some bimbo winning a WSOP/WPT/misc title?

    She will become next month's centerfold for Hugh, grace the cover of the Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition and Maxim and from there on out be known as the "Playboy girl of the month, Maxim covergirl and oh yeah she won a tournament of some sort"

    Given how poker is more mainstream and watched by millions on TV around the world, I'd bet that a successful women that is smart and carries herself well will do waaaay more than some random celeb would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Geer View Post
    Would the woman that won be on the cover of every magazine in the world? Sure, hell yeah she would. But then the month after - what then?
    Markatable indiviuals like a supermodel poker player have a longer life-time than just "on the cover of everyon magazine then disappears". Rachel Stevens for example is constantly on fhm's front cover and inside editorials.

    In terms of affecting poker as a whole, it would make it more marketable to those hulky men disinterested in poker - the type that prefer watching football, rubgy, cricket, and more comtemporary things.

    I'm making this my last post as this is a ridiculously long thread for something so casual that i wanted to point out.

    My argument is, look at what Moneymaker did for poker. Boom Boom. imo a hot poker pro celebrity would have the same effect, and could be marketed to achevive massive success for indivudal poker rooms.

    "parents are going to let their kids idolise some hooker". Poker is for 18yr olds and over Matt. We're not talking about kids.

    I agree with your last point about it would have been done already. However you could really say that about any new idea in the world in any industry, so it doesnt entirely rule my argument out.

    Look at what PokerStars did when sgining boris becker, and that carried massive weifht especially in germany and from his loyal tennis fans. And thats' just becker, some retired tennis player from 20 or so yrs back!

    The more hot girls involved in poker, and the more generally attractive and respected societal figures, the more social and appealing poker will become. Anything that helps turn poker into a cooler,sexier, more fun game is beneficial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by addz123 View Post
    I'm making this my last post as this is a ridiculously long thread for something so casual that i wanted to point out.
    Well, simply stating something and only backing it up with reasoning of porn vids, mag covers and that poker would benefit from this isn't very "detailed" and quite easy to debate. Also, why would you point something out if you didn't want to discuss it - regardless of length....

    Quote Originally Posted by addz123 View Post
    My argument is, look at what Moneymaker did for poker. Boom Boom. imo a hot poker pro celebrity would have the same effect, and could be marketed to achevive massive success for indivudal poker rooms.
    I disagree. While a woman winning a title would probably cause some kind of stir, I highly doubt it would be as big as what happened with Moneymaker and I would bet that it would be the same "boom" regardless of whether it was Leibert or P. Hilton who won it. I'd go as far as to say Leibert would have a longer effect given her history as a poker player. A celebrity winning a title would be extremely short lived unless they were able to do it again. As I mentioned before, it'd be helpful for their careers - but I don't think 'poker' would benefit nearly as much as they would.

    Quote Originally Posted by addz123 View Post
    "parents are going to let their kids idolise some hooker". Poker is for 18yr olds and over Matt. We're not talking about kids.
    You've got to be shitting me ...aside from the obvious "poker is for 18yr olds," you really think underage kids don't play? Or families don't watch this shit on TV. Where do you think all of these internet kids come from? That's just being ignorant.

    Quote Originally Posted by addz123 View Post
    I agree with your last point about it would have been done already. However you could really say that about any new idea in the world in any industry, so it doesnt entirely rule my argument out.
    I can agree with this. I'm not saying it's impossible by any means, I just think you overestimate the benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by addz123 View Post
    In terms of affecting poker as a whole, it would make it more marketable to those hulky men disinterested in poker - the type that prefer watching football, rubgy, cricket, and more comtemporary things.
    I'm not sure since I don't have any experience, but this is one demographic out of thousands. Companies with thousand/million dollar marketing budgets have to research this shit before plastering some half naked girl on the front of their sites.

    I have a hard time believing this money would be well spent trying to attract people who don't like poker in the first place (which could also mean don't know how to play, don't care, etc).

    What you do see more of though is the lifestyle that successful poker players lead.

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    give me George Clueny or Tiger Woods anyday

    (that sounds a bit gay but not what I meant lol)

    I think the point is that the galmour and sexyness of poker is NOT the same as some sexy bit of tot / model

    ie. women and men are far far more likely to signup and play poker because George Clueny does than because aplaybunny or whatever does ... pamala Anderson poker site disappeared without trace I seem to remember

    however if George lent his name to a room / game in generally it would take off very mainstream like nothing else ...

    everyone fancies James Bond ... women want to be in bed with him, men what to be him to be able to bed the women james bond can

    so thats respect of a sort from everyone

    with a toty no brains ... most women will hate them demeaning the game, and most blokes will say WTF she cant play (almost making the site a bad choice for a condecending marketing plan

    ideally (maybe) a 10/10 female winner would be good but that would have to be finding a 10/10 from the winners (dont think there is a chance to "train" a 10/10 into a winner ... there are plenty of poker picture boys - negreanu etc who arent exactly consistent so think you have to work with the winners you get)

    moneymaker was good because everyone could imagine being him ... in the same way everyone can briefly imaging being in oceans eleven or james bond film

    Tiffany Williamson winning the WSOP in 2005 instead of finishing 15th or so would have been huge ... huge for increase numbers of women players, black players and UK players and we could have had the whole moneymake effect again

    I dont play golf but Tiger Woods is the glamour and the "sexiness" that would make me go out and buy a set of clubs and spoil a good walk ...

    I have no idea what so ever who are the "sexiest" 5/10 pro ladies golfers OR what (if any) sexy porn / centerfolds play golf ?

    tiger, vj singh and ian woosnam are the faces that would sell golf to me

    maybe its more coolness not "sexyness" that sells poker / casino

    cheers scrawnybob

    ps. dont think anyone is arguing - afiaks 123 youve created a really interesting topic to discuss - dont give up
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    For women who played on featured tables at the wsop me, they were offered more than men. A hot chick winning the wsop me would garner more attention to poker than any male could, other than a A lister celebrity. There would also definately be more women playing poker if a hot chick won it. Poker could be portrayed as glamorous, and not for fat old men or computer geeks.
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