New Idea

[addz123]

One of the major problems in the industry is players switching poker accounts in order to sign up for rakeback. This is bad for poker players. It's also bad for affiliates because they lose the player who signed up through them. The biggest room for this problem by a mile seems Full Tilt Poker.

What I propose is a new system for affiliates and poker rooms. When you create an affiliate account at a room, promoting regular bonuses, you should provide a contact email adress too.

Then when a player at an existing room enquires about promoting his account to rakeback, the room can provide the contact email adress of the affiliate he signed up through - who can allow this player to receive rakeback. This allows a valuable player to be kept on, even if it means a smaller percentage of revenue from him.

Ofcourse I think affiliates should be given the option of whether to provide a "contact email", but I think it would definately benefit both affiliates and players in the long term.

Also - I recognise players may want rakeback whilst connected to an affiliate who is unable to offer it (e.g. not enough commission at ft to be able to offer 27% rakeback). However I think this would be a minor issue on something so big and important.

[Marcelo]

I think it should be simpler.

For example: player contact poker room asking for rakeback.

Poker room replies: Mr. player, you are eligible for rakeback after you have generated more than 1,000 points lifetime.

Let's say that the guy generates the 1,000 and asks again.

Poker room contacts affiliate: Mr. affiliate, the player #1358372 has requested and been provided rakeback, you will now receive 5% of MGR from him.

(this would only make sense for revenue share, and if it was on the agreement, of course)

FTP consider this pleeease

I mean, which affiliate wouldnt want a good player on rakeback? If he knows that most likely the player will create a new account to receive it anyway?

[Hazo]

Wasting your time on this one I think.

[pokerseo]

One of the major problems in the industry is players switching poker accounts in order to sign up for rakeback. This is bad for poker players. It's also bad for affiliates because they lose the player who signed up through them. The biggest room for this problem by a mile seems Full Tilt Poker.

players can't open a new acc or they get banned afaik, so how is this a problem?

[pokerseo]

... connected to an affiliate who is unable to offer it (e.g. not enough commission at ft to be able to offer 27% rakeback). However I think this would be a minor issue on something so big and important.

you don't have to reach X to offer 27%, just talk to a ftp AM and they will hook u up. just point out that you could sign up to one of these affil middlemen and offer 27% that way.. they will see sense..

[B.S]

players can't open a new acc or they get banned afaik, so how is this a problem?

They open a false one...

[Spry]

I think it should be simpler.

For example: player contact poker room asking for rakeback.

Poker room replies: Mr. player, you are eligible for rakeback after you have generated more than 1,000 points lifetime.

Let's say that the guy generates the 1,000 and asks again.

Poker room contacts affiliate: Mr. affiliate, the player #1358372 has requested and been provided rakeback, you will now receive 5% of MGR from him.

(this would only make sense for revenue share, and if it was on the agreement, of course)

FTP consider this pleeease

I mean, which affiliate wouldnt want a good player on rakeback? If he knows that most likely the player will create a new account to receive it anyway?

+1 - as long as the affiliate agree's up front to do it this way, this is a winner.

[vidd]

Marcelo is correct. They lately started to offer 10k bonuses of 27% rakeback value on these accounts.

[scrawnybob]

this is exactly the point I'd made in the other thread

yep so we could offer rakeback to all players - but for 3% that is not worth a regular affiliates effort to be getting genuinely new players / mix of player values

after all PS has VIP program costing them more than 27% rakeback yet they still manage to give aff 20% rev share (similar to FT 20% non RB both with deductions of some sorts or another) ...

afaiks affiliates ARE getting the raw deal on FT and also getting grief from players ... even with PS having by far the biggest market share they can see their way to 20% aff rev+VIP for the players - not drop to 3% for players to get 27% ...

I really think they need to start looking at taking on more of the costs of RB inhouse or VIP but actually from their % not ours

by having a player properly tracked and attached to affiliate they could have the option of moving them over to rakeback -

as I currently understand it FT and some other sites dont do this

there are some sites that afaiks are proactive with this - you get a signup on normal bonus, then player decided they warrant rakeback and contact room ... room contacts affiliate - job done sorted ...

net result ... player happy, affiliate happy, room happy

the affiliate & the room is then able to get ALL players at the most efficent cost possible by only offering RB to those players who want or justify it

but crucially ANY player could get rakeback if they request it - without loss of player to affiliate B etc ...

on rooms where this is the case ... opportunist affiliates dont have the leverage they do with other rooms because players WILL email the room to find out if they can be moved to RB / or the site where they know they signed up (are loyal to etc) ...


afiaks if it were really true about players not getting away with 2nd / different accounts then there wouldnt be loads of RB affiliates making money having all the complicated delete this and that instructions ... they would only make from trying to move FT players onto other RB rooms ... afaiks that isnt happening in enough numbers for that to be entirely true

I just dont buy all the argument over player advocates / needing to be tracked / delete cookies etc ... if more rooms publically and properly dealt with it as affiliate A who got the player keeps the player and the player can ALWAYS have the option to the best deal with that affiliate - alot would improve ... and I think most would be quite happy to have lower % for providing RB on those players ... or players moved over time once they have generated x rev

without the current bars to customer service affiliates have on some sites ... alot of the RB only site would stuggle for a USP afaiks

IMHO there are some really easy ways to solve quite alot of the current problems with some programmes

cheers scrawnybob