Miracle flop, or so I thought

[pokeraussie]

The TAG on the BTN could be raising the limper who was a fish with a pretty wide range, so I decide to 3bet light (not for value). When I get called I am playing the hand cautiously until I see this miracle flop, or so I thought! LOL

Full Tilt, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players

Hero (BB): $44.19
UTG: $25.77
MP: $52.05
CO: $11.31
BTN: $22.38
SB: $70.87

Pre-Flop: Q:heart: K:spade: dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, MP calls $0.25, CO folds, BTN raises to $1.10, SB folds, Hero raises to $3.50, MP folds, BTN calls $2.40

Flop: ($7.35) Q:spade: A:heart: Q:diamond: (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($7.35) J:club: (2 Players)
Hero bets $4.50, BTN calls $4.50

River: ($16.35) K:club: (2 Players)
Hero bets $36.19 and is All-In, BTN calls $14.38 and is All-In

Results: $45.11 Pot ($2.25 Rake)
Hero showed Q:heart: K:spade: and LOST (-$22.13 NET)
BTN showed Q:club: A:spade: and WON $42.86 (+$20.48 NET)

[jdwanchalk]

This is a disaster. A three bet with something like Ks 2s is infinitely better than 3betting KQ there. The only reason KQ should ever 3bet there is for value, and that would usually be quite stupid. This isn't a light 3bet, it isn't a 3bet for value, it's just a bad 3bet.

[pokeraussie]

This is a disaster. A three bet with something like Ks 2s is infinitely better than 3betting KQ there. The only reason KQ should ever 3bet there is for value, and that would usually be quite stupid. This isn't a light 3bet, it isn't a 3bet for value, it's just a bad 3bet.

Due to card removal its unlikely they have QQ/KK. The only hand I am really worried about is AA and the TAG is raising the limper with a much wider range then that on the BTN. Like I said, then plan was to steal the dead money pre-flop and I was giving up on most flops if called. It was a cooler imo AQ/AA were the only hands which would have stacked me.

[jdwanchalk]

Due to card removal its unlikely they have QQ/KK. The only hand I am really worried about is AA and the TAG is raising the limper with a much wider range then that on the BTN. Like I said, then plan was to steal the dead money pre-flop and I was giving up on most flops if called. It was a cooler imo AQ/AA were the only hands which would have stacked me.

You missed the point completely.

[pokeraussie]

What is the point? Ks 2s has the potential to make a big hand if you get called? Or that 3betting light as a bluff should only be done with garbage?

Edit: I get your point. The 3bet is not for value and not a bluff.

[jdwanchalk]

What is the point? Ks 2s has the potential to make a big hand if you get called? Or that 3betting light as a bluff should only be done with garbage?

Edit: I get your point. The 3bet is not for value and not a bluff.

Ks 2s would be ok to 3bet there, every once in a long time. You don't need to make a hand to win a pot.

[pokeraussie]

You don't need to make a hand to win a pot.

Exactly! Which is what makes your point confusing. I clearly said it was an attempt to steal the dead money pre-flop, so why does it matter if I have KQo or K2s whe villain is folding to the 3bet pretty often.

[jdwanchalk]

Exactly! Which is what makes your point confusing. I clearly said it was an attempt to steal the dead money pre-flop, so why does it matter if I have KQo or K2s whe villain is folding to the 3bet pretty often.

You 3bet with Ks 2s so as to define your intent. It is a light 3bet, but you could flop something with the hand, and would often get paid off on 22x or K2x or three spade flops.

When you miss, you can c-bet/fold to a raise, or c-bet and win the hand.

If you hit a Q, you don't know if it's good, so playing the board becomes difficult when you play QK this way. Furthermore, when you 3 bet light with QK, you are sacrificing all of the hand's inherent value.