KQ short stacked in donkament

[pokeraussie]

how patient can you be though? it was 5 handed, its a ridiculous blind structure, you can't just wait for a big hand. i hear what you're saying though, if i knew for sure he was going to call i would have folded because i didn't expect this player to stack off with much worse.

[faststeady]

you're not waiting for a big hand , you're waiting for either a desperate move or a showdown between two other strong hands which is likely at this stage, you can sweat it a bit longer

[pokeraussie]

you're not waiting for a big hand , you're waiting for either a desperate move or a showdown between two other strong hands which is likely at this stage, you can sweat it a bit longer

doesn't this logic make more sense if it was the bubble? if someone makes a desperate move its boosting someone elses stack and giving me less of a chance of winning the tourney i fail to see how i benefit from that.

[faststeady]

so your logic is to take on the chipleader when he wants some action ?

[pokeraussie]

so your logic is to take on the chipleader when he wants some action ?

my logic is that i have blockers to three big hands, QQ/KK/AK that could potentially take this line. i doubt JJ/TT is taking this line very often if at all, although i don't think you can discount him taking this line with AQ either. so either he is trapping with these hands or AA which isn't very often or he is limp/folding the rest of his range, which contains a lot more hands then what he is trapping with.

[Matt Geer]

You didn't share stack sizes of your opponents which might be the biggest piece of information available in making this decision. If he had <20 BBs it makes way more sense than if he had >100 BBs, etc.

This ^ plus you need the stack sizes of the other players. And preferably where they're seated in relation to you/big stack/blinds.

V V V That's why you (we) need the stacksizes of the other players. If it's 5-handed, it can still be the 'bubble' if there are other players just as short as you are. Your strategy in this case would be different compared to a situation where you're the only short stack.

All this said, I fold more often than not. You have no FE and most (competent) guys limping here vs. shoving know they're going to get a decent price if/when you reshove. I think you hit the top of his range more often than not -- you're not going to run into JTs or 75o or something. Big stacks will likely shove this to exploit the bubble/near bubble.

doesn't this logic make more sense if it was the bubble? if someone makes a desperate move its boosting someone elses stack and giving me less of a chance of winning the tourney i fail to see how i benefit from that.

[parttimepoker]

I only had to read title to know it was a shove.

Then I read the thread. Lots of tight big stacks limp with all kinds of suited garbage because they like their hand but hate raising. Even if he's JJ+, AK+ you still have 25% equity and there's 2.5BBs in the middle.

Shove, best chance 5 handed. Don't think it's even close if you don't have explicit history of the limper doing so with monsters.

If you were full, you can maybe wait. But you're not, and you'll be likely gone in 8 hands and your chance of seeing a hand better than KQ in those 8 hands isn't good.

[pokeraussie]

I think you hit the top of his range more often than not -- you're not going to run into JTs or 75o or something.

Are you saying he is not limping with these hands or not limp/calling with them?