TPTK facing river shove

[pokeraussie]

This was a $1/$2 live hand from today.

Call $5 with A9s in MP and there were like a million callers.

Flop comes down 952 rainbow. Checks to me, I bet $25, and the player in UTG who seemed ok but not a lot of history check called.

Turn was another 2. It went check check.

River was a 7. He leads out for $85 which was a bit less then the pot.

I think fairly readless with the way I played the hand it's a call, but really wasn't sure. Come to think of it, even though I really didn't see him get out of line, his stack size suggests he can't be all that great.

[Spry]

i would have bet this turn.

would have to get a read of weakness to make a call on the river.... probably folding.

[parttimepoker]

Call, there's a good chance he's turning his hand into a bluff without realizing it. He could also easily be value-towning himself with K9, Q9, J9.

On the river, you only lose to an overpair, a boat, the gutshot or 97, but he has at least that many combos of bluffs / mistakes in this spot for you to call off at better than 2-1. I guess if you feel like he would limp preflop with AA-JJ then it gets closer. If the pairing card wasn't a 2, it would also be closer as there would be more trips in his range if it was, say, a T.

What was his stack size that made you think he wasn't good? I'd probably want to make this call more against a bad player than a good player, because a good player isn't likely to have the same amount of mistakes / worse 9s in their range.

[pokeraussie]

i would have bet this turn.

i don't like betting the turn. it overeps my hand somewhat and the board is fairly safe. by checking the turn it fakes weakness, and with stack sizes i can easily get stacks in on the river. that being said, i probably should have bet a little more on the flop but its still less then a pot size bet.

Call, there's a good chance he's turning his hand into a bluff without realizing it. He could also easily be value-towning himself with K9, Q9, J9.

On the river, you only lose to an overpair, a boat, the gutshot or 97, but he has at least that many combos of bluffs / mistakes in this spot for you to call off at better than 2-1. I guess if you feel like he would limp preflop with AA-JJ then it gets closer. If the pairing card wasn't a 2, it would also be closer as there would be more trips in his range if it was, say, a T.

What was his stack size that made you think he wasn't good? I'd probably want to make this call more against a bad player than a good player, because a good player isn't likely to have the same amount of mistakes / worse 9s in their range.

he was playing with < 60bb if you think you've got an edge at the table why would you play with so little?

i really don't remember him being the PFR but he must have been being the UTG player. he only raised $5 so his range is super wide in this spot and his flop c/c seemed weak to me. even if he was getting trappy with overpairs i don't necessarily think he would take this line unless maybe with AA, which i have blockers to.

sometimes he hits a set on the river or top two (which is likely the best hand once I check the turn), but i thought he could easily be turning a made hand like 5x/9x into a bluff/vbetting enough to make the call.

[jdwanchalk]

Absolutely a bet on the turn, one reason being the exact spot you now put yourself in on the river.

[jdwanchalk]

Also, he has a 2 here like always.

[pokeraussie]

Absolutely a bet on the turn, one reason being the exact spot you now put yourself in on the river.

Disagree. Avoiding tough spots doesn't make the play optimal.

[jdwanchalk]

Disagree. Avoiding tough spots doesn't make the play optimal.

You can disagree, but you're wrong. Post this on 2p2 and you'll see; it's not even a close spot at all.

[pokeraussie]

You can disagree, but you're wrong. Post this on 2p2 and you'll see; it's not even a close spot at all.

It's defo a closer spot then the 2 pair hand you posted. Also with these stack sizes your an idiot if you think checking the turn is horrible.

[jdwanchalk]

It's defo a closer spot than the 2 pair hand you posted. Also with these stack sizes you're an idiot if you think checking the turn is horrible.

FYP

I didn't know he was that short. I still would rather bet the turn given tons of hands and draws will call whereas on the river a lot less hands will pay you off. If you are betting the river and losing, you lose now too, plus you get more calls from draws and worse. If you lose, oh well, you would have lost on the river anyway. You're being too concerned with losing now where it's going to happen one way or the other if you're beat.

My check was way more straightforward in that other hand than this one. The difference in what two players think determines who wins and loses in the end, and our opinions quite often differ...