Poker question what would you have done?

[Stocks]

This situation was from the big sunday million sunday and was kind of the turning point of my tournament.

Blinds are $400-$800 and I have 25K

I'm in middle position with JJ and it gets folded to me so I raise $2000, 2.5x is my standard raise for tournaments. The button who had around 20k reraised to 6.5k and then the BB went allin for 12k.

What would you have done?

[parttimepoker]

snap fold, fist pump (assuming no read on button).

[Laurence]

snap fold, fist pump (assuming no read on button).

This, wouldn't think twice about it.

[Stocks]

I did end up folding

It turned out I would have won. The button had AQ, the BB had AK and nothing over an 8 came.

Anyway after that had I went absolutely card dead playing maybe one hand before I eventually went allin. I think the one hand I opened again in middle position for 2.5x again and the player to my left who was tight and seemed like a solid player reraised me so I folded. After that nothing just a bunch of crap.

When the blinds were 700-1400 and I had just over 10k left I went allin with 22 and the BB woke up with Kings and I was done.

[Stocks]

This, wouldn't think twice about it.

Knowing what ended up happening going card dead and getting blinded away I've thought about it a bunch. If I call and go allin and the button calls which I think he would of I would have had around 60k and probably would have been able to make a run. If I lost to the button I would have been left with around 5k if I lost to the BB I would have had 13k.

[pokeraussie]

Yeah fold unlucky they were both shoving the bottom of their ranges. Even in situations when the BB is doing this with a worse pocket pair you are likely getting called by the button and flipping/crushed.

[parttimepoker]

i did think fist pump, but then i decided to break it down instead of just saying fist pump.

let's say that the BB has a fairly tight range, because they should. there are two players who aren't folding in this spot and the BB still has a reasonable shove stack - no reason to ship light here. how about 99+,AQs+,AQo+.

how about the button? If you shove here, the button has to call 13.5k more to win something like 36k, so i don't think they're folding much of their 3b range. maybe something like 77+,A7s+,KJs+,QJs,ATo+,KQo,QJo for a really wide range and we'll say they have a couple pure bluffs in there somewhere and that they fold 5% of the time.

so 95% of the time you're playing for a main pot of 36k and a side pot of 27k (assuming BB is shoving for 12k total). 5% of the time you're playing for a main pot of something like 27k and flipping.

so main pot if you shove and button calls will be 36k and you're about 35% to win the main pot against both players, you risk 12k for this pot (win 24k 35% of the time and lose 12k the other 65%). the side pot between you and button is 27k and you're about a 60-40% favorite. you risk your other 13k for this pot (win 13k 60% of the time, lose 13k the other 40%).

your ev on the play with these ranges is ((24k*.35)-(12k*.65))+((13k*.6 ) - (13k*.4)) or .8k + 2.6k.

that's not insignificant, 3.5BB or so. however, if the button is tighter, it gets closer to being neutral ev. if the button is somehow raise-folding here a bunch, then it's great.

with 30BBs left (or close) if you fold here, and still a very strong reshove stack at the next blind level, i think you can justify a pass here. ultimately it's probably fine to get it in given that you're going to have to win a couple of these gambles to get a stack, and the added value of a bigger stack in this tournament could easily tilt this decision toward a call / raise (a neutral ev risk for a double up isn't as good as a neutral ev gamble for nearly a triple up).

hope that makes sense (and is accurate), i'm tired.

[Stocks]

I like it Parttime I also think there could of been an argument to call there - it was a good oppertuinty to gamble and try to build a big stack although not a play I make often and probably why I never got a big stack.

Heres what I was thinking at the time. The button I didn't think was that good I saw him make some questionable plays so when I raised I said to myself if the button reraises allin I'm calling and if the BB who was the short stack goes allin I'm calling aswell I was actually hoping one of them would but just one of them. Once the button reraised me to 6.5k I though maybe he has something big(the SB was a big stack and the BB was short stacked so I didn't think he would make a move there with crap) Then when the BB went allin my only play was allin and how well is JJ going to play 3 handed allin so I figured I would fold and wait for a better spot and try to get heads up against a short stack and maybe pick up a couple rounds of blinds but neither happened.

[pokeraussie]

What was the 3 betting frequency of the button were you playing at the same table for a while?

[Rak]

Good fold. 3 All-ins for me is too dangerous. I seem to get slammed on pre flop all-ins as well - I'll do it if I'm trying to build my stack and my stack is 2.5x then the other guys.

I tilted on Stars 2 weeks back, returned last night. Need to find ways to walk away.
Advice?