Tournament Blackjack - A Skill Game??

[Planet Mark]

All,

Got hit big this month with a tournament blackjack player at UB who seems to be winning $300 to $500 every day!

Got me thinking... and wanting to ask whether the members here consider Blackjack Tournaments a skill game. My logic is this, if this is a skill game (which is what I believe), and I have an 'expert' on my tracker, then they could keep me in a hole month-in-month-out with their positive expectation plays...

What is more, if the prizes are getting distributed amoug the players this is more similar to a poker tournament setup - that we should be paid as a percentage of the fees, not on the result, I mean Full Tilt would not shaft us with a minus $100k revenue if one of our players final tabled a big event, right??

No big deal, my understanding is that Chipleader do not carry over negatives (which I sincerely hope is correct or I'll be looking for a sub-deal!) - thus posting it here instead of in the main forum - really wanted to get some other opinions, since I'm not really an expert on this game!

Mark

[MJ]

Blackjack tournaments are rake based, I think the chipleader backend shows us multiplayer blackjack as "tournaments" though I'm not sure since I get both winners and losers every month there.

[Planet Mark]

Hmmm, now I'm very confused... my graph labeled 'Tourn BJ Revenue' on the chipleader dashboard is reading -$x,xxx for the month and my overall revenue suffering proportionally even though the poker / popup BJ / casino are all positive... total amount as bracketed as negative on customer report too.

Thanks for the input, totally baffled here - think I'd better write to them and clarify whats going on!

Mark

[MJ]

Right I know I asked the same query awhile back here:

Tournament Blackjack Revenue On ChipLeader

I never got an answer, but I've been in the positive every month since so I guess it would be good for someone to ask.

[Bryan]

Chipleader does roll over negatives month to month, but (contrary to what is displayed on their Account Register reports) they do not group negative casino/blackjack earnings in with poker earnings.

So, in your case Mark, if the player you referred continues to dominate the multiplayer BJ tables, you'll probably never make a dime off of multiplayer BJ. But you should continue to earn as normal from Poker, Casino, and regular BJ.

I would definitely touch base with your AM to confirm this though This is how our account has handled negative TBJ and BJ earnings in the past.

[MJ]

Thanks Bryan that is helpful, can you confirm whether you also agree that "tournament" display is actually multiplayer cash blackjack, and that (I guess) blackjack sng and tournaments that are fee/rake based actually count as poker revenue?

[Bryan]

I've never asked for a breakdown on exactly what TBJ is. We've had a couple of negative months, but it's usually pretty consistently positive.

Surely for the tournaments with a buyin fee (and thus, the prize pool being supplied by the people playing), there's no possibility of negative revenue being generated.

[Bryan]

I'm sitting at a 10+1 SnG Blackjack tournament right now to test this out if anyone wants to join (need 5 more players...)

[Bryan]

Breakdown of the Chipleader stats pertaining to Blackjack...

1. PBJ Net Win/Loss - single player blackjack
2. TBJ Net Win/Loss - multi player blackjack (this is NOT tournament blackjack!)
3. TBJ SnG Revenue - sit & go blackjack tournaments
4. TBJ Tourn Revenue - "elimination tourneys"

The first two fields could very certainly be negative. With the 2nd field, the game is basically like sitting down at a blackjack table at a B&M casino. As far as I can tell, the only difference between the first and second fields is the social aspect to sitting a table with other players vs. donking off your chips all by your lonesome. From our experience, if a player is crushing either of these two games, it's just a matter of time...

Fields 3 & 4 should never be negative. These are tournaments with a set buy-in (creating the prize pool) and an entry fee. From what I've seen, the "elimination tournaments" very rarely actually run. We have hundreds of players, and precisely 0 of them have generated any revenue in this column (at both AP and UB) in the past several months.

[Planet Mark]

Thats brillant info Bryan - thanks - for my dashboard to make sense the losses must have been from the player vs house multi-player game then... in which case it certainly looks like a matter of time before it all comes back, though a good few thousand to go just yet though...

Going to see how the stats look going into Feb and judge the best course from there - UB is not one of my big focuses (do not even communicate with any specific individual, just support), though would still prefer them to be positive of course!

Thanks again,

Mark