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    Thumbs down A common issue with regular online casinos

    Sure they are great for affiliates but on the player end of things they are programmed like a slot machine even when your playing card games. The following complaint is similar to what many hear and in the long term just hurts affiliates as players are not all "stupid"

    Seeking some recreation, and not taking it serious, hoping just maybe I could come out ahead with a little 'luck' I opened an account with> 7red.com online Casino, deposited $500. and began to use the Martingale roulette MM system: playing only Red/Black Odd/Even 1-18/19-36 in sets of 3 bets per play. after being up $700 and the Martingale system working supremely, I encountered an unbelievable phenomenon; 23 straight Red! needless to say, the nightmare of the risk factor using Martingale happened. I lost my initial investment of $500 and the $700 I had won after an hour of play.

    Residing in LV, my curiosity could not stay content, a close friend, and peer who works as a Casino floor manager/pit boss at the Red Rock here in LV?, after explaining my encounter with roulette, and the 23 straight 'reds' he said he "never" in his career ever heard of that many straight plays ever recorded in LV, or any Casino Globally! I went a step farther and contacted Gaming Today a LV trade publication, who gave me the odds of this happening are apx 23,792,238/1 and had nothing in their archives that even came close to 23 straight.

    BTW, this was my first, and last time with online table games, I'll stick to 'live' Casino action........
    If your going to promote online casinos I tend to think "live dealer" games are the way to go for transparency and open honesty for the player.

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    lol come on.
    I only played roulette 10 times or so and even I saw rows of 20 and such.
    Must be rigged because Martingale is a sure money maker!
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    I know it's a rare occurrence for something like that to hit so many times in a row but I would believe it's possible. I played roulette at the Wynn two years ago and it hit black 21 times in a row and I made like $2k by just resetting my bet on black every time lol...

    This was on a "rapid" roulette machine too but still controlled by an actual dealer -- you just get in a ton more spins in per hour compared to traditional roulette.
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    The dealer statistically has 5.26% house edge on any given roll on Red/Black and each roll is unique so the odds would reset. If you play the martingale system "What can go wrong will". He should have just played sic bo or baccarat where the house edge was less.

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    People who don't understand how probability works are always going to complain about outcomes that negatively affect them. That is a good argument, imo, for providing your players with good educational content re: the math behind gambling. The player in the OP hit an unlikely outcome -- that sucks. But said outcome is not only possible over time, it's expected. So his complaints are kinda misguided.

    Of course, not all players will (or even want to) listen to reason. For this type of player, I agree that "live dealer" games probably provide a comforting illusion of "more-fairness". I do not think it would be good for the industry as a whole, however, to blanket-sell live dealer games as somehow "more fair". You could rig a live dealer game just as easily as a standard online game, and claiming one is inherently more transparent than the other is a lie. It's a purely aesthetic/psychological difference. So maybe sell it on the comfort factor, e.g. "look! it's a human dealing me cards!" rather than a false "guarantee" of non-riggedness or increased transparency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jason@bp View Post
    You could rig a live dealer game just as easily as a standard online game,
    And how does one do that while watching? (assuming we are discussing card games)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ak View Post
    And how does one do that while watching? (assuming we are discussing card games)
    Any way an under-regulated b&m casino could cheat players could be used at an online live dealer casino, too. For instance players would want to ensure that a site fans the decks for inspection at least a couple times per day, or else who knows? I've also seen LD BJ games that use shoes with black faceplates, which is shady imo.

    Online sites have an additional bag of tricks to do with latency, connection "issues", and image manipulation. For example if a casino wanted to switch out a shoe during a game, they could just overlay a freeze-frame of the old shoe on the live image and swap out. On some sites there is no motion in the background on the dealer's right, so you could actually overlay the entire right side of the screen, allowing someone to walk in and out of the frame without being seen.

    My point is that it's incorrect to say because it's a live dealer, you know the game is fair. Maybe I worded it a bit strongly. I definitely don't hold the position that all live dealer casinos cheat; just that it's possible some do cheat, and it's equally a LD casino could cheat as an RNG casino. All boils down to regulation.
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    I used to be a croupier, and the number of people I would see martingaling roulette was staggering (I've even done it myself). This kind of stuff happens and yet the players always seem surprised when any kind of streak gets going.
    Some know that the strategy is technically flawed, but most don't, and almost all of them wait for some kind of trigger like a few in a row of either what they want to bet on, or the opposite of what they want to bet on. Like the wheel has some kind of memory

    ak are you actually suggesting that it's rigged because of this one streak? I'm sure I don't need to point out the flaw in the players (or Gaming Today's) maths to you. The likelihood of him seeing a streak like this is not even close to 1 in 23 million.
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